Is Snowden a traitor or a public servant?

We are told to give up our privacy in the name of security.

One of the founding fathers said a person who would give up liberty to get some temporary security did not deserve either liberty or security.
 
...Think that it can't happen? It happens every day in some locales, and by increasing the powers of the state, you all but guarantee that it will become a daily occurrence in the entire nation, and that more and more people will all of a sudden disappear in the night, never to be seen again.

This is exactly how every police state is established, through the willing participation by a populace who prefer to sleep with both eyes closed and allow the state increasing powers, rather than stand for their liberties and risk possible injury through less security.

It can happen here. It IS happening here, as we speak.

I'll go with this. Maybe not "every day," but we don't know since selective reporting has been the norm for the MSM for so long that no credible, nationwide news source exists in this country.

I don't know about Snowden. It's possible he may turn out to be a sort of modern-day Paul Revere. Time will tell us more... if we get the facts.

Post #191 = excellent. Those not age 50 or more probably don't understand.
 
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How do you know?

I'm not naive enough to think it has never happened, I'm sure it has. However, it's never been done on this scale, openly legal, court orders ignored and at no where, now how has it been legal to just kill Americans at will or imprison them without notice or trial.

Common sense says, whatever they admit to is just the tip of the iceberg.
 

Newtown was classic tinfoil hat.
Holder was on it so fast he might have been mistaken for a first responder.
the tone of reports changed from just news to a political push within hours.
official reports changed, changed, and changed again.
in the course of trying to understand what happened, the tinfoil hats came out in droves trying to make the oddities fit, often walking way off base.
thats tinfoil hat

This is based upon solid fact that the gov has been caught spying on the population at the bulk rate, to the violation of constitutional law, and continued despite court orders to stop.
there might be a little tinfoil floating around where trying to understand the consequences of all this is being debated.
Im seeing more iron here than foil
 
I have worked in the technology industry my entire career and long ago realized that private communications is pretty much a myth.
 
Im not advocating anything but, who was it who said: "A Little Revolution Every Now and Then; Is A Good Thing"?

As the saying goes: "Just Sayin".
 
I'm sorry that the emphasis has been shifted onto Snowden. In my mind, the alarming thing isn't our secrets being revealed to our enemies, but that our government, through our elected officials has invaded the privacy of so many honest citizens, and kept records on them, for however long they wanted, to be used however the government desired.

We've come a long way: my Social Security card has in big letters, on both sides: Not to be used for purposes of identification. We took a big step in losing our liberties when it became a sort of national ID card.
 

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