Is the Slide fire going to be history?

[TTSH]

BATFE DECIDES THE AKINS ACCELERATOR™ TO BE A MACHINEGUN

With so many of our fellow gunowners willingly ready to bend over and take it, the only question left is whether we are better off with the BATFE reversing its approval and banning the offending item du jour that way... or having Congress ban it through new legislation. Which is the least risky or least damaging to us long-term? Which do you think is going to happen?

In my own state, I am screwed anyway so I suppose it shouldn't matter to me. They are going to double up on whatever the Federal government does just so they can make the penalty even worse... i.e., life in prison for possession. Incredible, but true.

 

[Watchdog]

Slide Fire News

Slide Fire Solutions of Moran, Texas is now being sued by The Brady Center.

Fostech Outdoors, of Seymour, Indiana, who makes slide fire stocks under license from Slide Fire has not been named in any lawsuits. Yet.

Neither company is responding to messages.

Both companies have suspended sales until further notice.

Jeremiah Cottle, inventor and president of Slide Fire is not answering any questions at this time.

The lawsuit seeks financial renumeration for victims' therapy, mental distress, and treatment. The suit also seeks punitive damages, but no dollar amount has been mentioned. Yet.

The suit will probably move forward in some form or another. If not the one from the Brady Center, then lawsuits will be filed by who-knows-how-many victims. This could drag out in the courts for years, and could spell the end for both companies.

Quoting from CNN-Money:

"Bump stocks have been selling out around the country since the Mandalay Bay massacre. Some retailers say that sales are driven by the fear of consumers that gun control legislation will ban bump stocks.

Legislators of both parties have suggested tighter controls or outright bans on bump stocks. In an unusual move, the National Rifle Association, which generally opposed all gun control, has said bump stocks should be subject to 'additional regulations.'"

I wasn't planning on commenting any further in this thread, but with all the speculation, disinformation, and thread drift going on in this thread,

I thought some facts might interest some people. I said "might".

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

Which is the least risky or least damaging to us long-term? Which do you think is going to happen?

Good question.

The ATF has reviewed this device more than once and concluded it does not meet the criteria for regulation as defined by the GCA or NFA. They put their determination in writing. End of story... right? So... if the ATF bends to outside pressures vs the word of law then what does that ultimately mean for tomorrow? Is the GCA and NFA now 'living documents' determined by a whim of the political moment and a stooge with a pen at the Department of Justice?

If Congress writes a separate law going after 'rate of fire' as does Feinstien's proposed bill--- "It shall be unlawful for any person to import, sell, manufacture, possess a trigger crank, a bump fire device or any accessory that functions to accelerate the rate of fire of a semi-automatic rifle", what new can of worms will that open?

While I think no additional laws or regulations are the answer, my answer to the question is that Congress makes law. That's what the legislative branch is supposed to do.

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

The Feinstien bill would make it so broad that triggers designed to lighten trigger pull would be banned or could be seen as illegal.

Exactly. Aftermarket triggers that are lighter and a shorter reset enhance the operator's ability to increase rate of fire over a GI trigger. That would well fit definitions in Senator's proposed bill.

If you consider that some want the ATF to interpret a SlideFire stock to fit the legal definition of a machine gun... interpretations derived from Fienstein's bill could go in a lot of directions.

That said, I'm very much against the ATF dreaming up a different determination on the SlifeFire, morphing into a political sockpuppet.

 

[scoobysnacker]

I'm torn when it comes to discussions like this. I'm against banning things, and against giving up stuff because of the slippery slope argument.

But I wish our side would use some judgement on things like this, too. It gets very hard to defend bumpfire stocks as anything more than novelties, and whatever short-term gain is made by adding them to the market might well be offset if/when the anti-gun side gains the upper hand.

Objectively, yes, one can bumpfire simply with a shoestring or rubber band, if one has a semi-auto. You can't ban shoestrings and rubber bands... so that leaves the semi-auto rifle, and high capacity magazines. Canada limits mag capacity to 5 rds, I think. Get enough public outcry and we might face that.

I think the NRA is looking right at that scenario, which is why they "caved".

 

[TomkinsSP]

How do we keep them out of the hands of the MS 13 crowd, gang bangers and drug cartel people not to mention jihadists living here in America?

Put gang bangers including those in MS13 in jail. Jihadists too. As for the cartels...DONT LET THE ATF HAVE ANY (lets see, naming an ill concieved sting after a video game, what could possibly go wrong.)

Really, I mean how do we keep Charlie Manson out of your cutlery drawer or Bernie Madoff out of your child's piggy bank...