Is the trigger really a safety?

[gc70]

The trigger safety on a Glock is not a drop safety. A plastic trigger attempting to overcome three metal springs will in no way generate enough inertia to complete the firing cycle if if the pistol is dropped on the back of the slide from Mars . . . Glock's drop safety is an entirely different mechanism.

Do you not understand shawn mccarver's earlier explanation?

Or do you not believe Glock's statement (see "Safe Action" tab):

The trigger safety is designed to protect against firing if the pistol is dropped or the trigger is subjected to lateral pressure.

 

[Rastoff]

The trigger safety on a Glock is not a drop safety. A plastic trigger attempting to overcome three metal springs will in no way generate enough inertia to complete the firing cycle if if the pistol is dropped on the back of the slide from Mars . . . Glock's drop safety is an entirely different mechanism.

It is a drop safety, just not the one they talk about a lot.

It's interesting that all these questions and doubts were answered three years ago when I started this thread. All the answers are there if you'll just go to page one. In fact, the best explanation is in post #3.

Then, in post #48, I put up a video showing how a plastic trigger can indeed develop enough inertia to overcome the springs etc. in the gun to cause it to fire.

You do realize that the force generated, when dropping something like a pistol onto a hard surface, is in the thousands of Gs, right?

 

[shawn mccarver]

But did the Glocks offered to the Austrian military also have the trigger safety?

Yes, the P80 has the device, and it is, for all intents and purposes, the same as the Glock 17.

 

[Muss Muggins]

It is a drop safety, just not the one they talk about a lot.

It's interesting that all these questions and doubts were answered three years ago when I started this thread. All the answers are there if you'll just go to page one. In fact, the best explanation is in post #3.

Then, in post #48, I put up a video showing how a plastic trigger can indeed develop enough inertia to overcome the springs etc. in the gun to cause it to fire.

You do realize that the force generated, when dropping something like a pistol onto a hard surface, is in the thousands of Gs, right?

I realized that the pistol in the video was a Taurus, and then remembered that Taurus recalled those pistols over a defective safety, and then quickly disregarded it as applies to a Glock.

 

[andyo5]

To me, a safety is a device that prevents the weapon from firing if the trigger is pulled inadvertently. I know, I know, keep your finger off of the trigger. Well, other things can pull a trigger besides a finger, and that's why I like a thumb safety, even on an M&P.

And that is why the only striker fired pistol that I own is a Springfield XD with the thumb safety. I sold my G30 years ago because the thought of carrying it just gave me the willys.

 

[Bkreutz]

It is a drop safety, just not the one they talk about a lot.

It's interesting that all these questions and doubts were answered three years ago when I started this thread. All the answers are there if you'll just go to page one. In fact, the best explanation is in post #3.

Then, in post #48, I put up a video showing how a plastic trigger can indeed develop enough inertia to overcome the springs etc. in the gun to cause it to fire.

You do realize that the force generated, when dropping something like a pistol onto a hard surface, is in the thousands of Gs, right?

"all lies and jest, still a man hears what he wants to hear, and disregards the rest"...

 

[gsparesa]

Thank you Shawn. Even I understand it now.

 

[Deadeye Dick]

I find it somewhat amusing that many of the same folks who would have no qualms about carrying a Snubby DA revolver in a jacked or pants pocket (often times even without a holster) get all tweaky about a striker fired pistol sans thumb safety.

 

[Muss Muggins]

I find it somewhat amusing that many of the same folks who would have no qualms about carrying a Snubby DA revolver in a jacked or pants pocket (often times even without a holster) get all tweaky about a striker fired pistol sans thumb safety.

Because you clearly don't realize they will all fire if dropped on the back of the slide . . .

 

[Hapworth]

I find it somewhat amusing that many of the same folks who would have no qualms about carrying a Snubby DA revolver in a jacked or pants pocket (often times even without a holster) get all tweaky about a striker fired pistol sans thumb safety.

As somewhat amusing as I find equating two entirely different actions, with entirely different trigger characteristics and pull weights?

 

[Muss Muggins]

As somewhat amusing as I find equating two entirely different actions, with entirely different trigger characteristics and pull weights?

Depends on whether or not you have the NY trigger installed in your Glock . . . (as for the actions, if you pull the trigger to the rear, either configuration will fire, I think.) Y'all acting like the pistol will go off in your pants is similar to the blood in the streets CCW/Open Carry arguments. Ain't gonna happen. Learn how your gun works, and exercise a little caution.

 

[Hapworth]

Depends on whether or not you have the NY trigger installed in your Glock . . . (as for the actions, if you pull the trigger to the rear, either configuration will fire, I think.) Y'all acting like the pistol will go off in your pants is similar to the blood in the streets CCW/Open Carry arguments. Ain't gonna happen. Learn how your gun works, and exercise a little caution.

Sure -- and if you throw heavy duty springs in the revolver the comparison changes yet again; that game can go round-and-round, but it's evident we're discussing stock configurations.

The actions are different, the pull weight is different, the pull characteristics are different. A stock Glock pulls shorter, lighter and easier than a stock S&W revolver -- period. In terms of potential for trigger mishap, equating the two has zero merit.

And Muss, you know I'm a fan of yours, but equating concern for certain trigger designs and the possibility for greater ND risks with unfounded hysteria about OC/CCW "blood in the streets" is straw man arguing through-and-through and beneath both you and the discussion. Let's stick to the issue on its own terms.

 

[Deadeye Dick]

Funny you should say that because I don't find the length or weight of pull between my well broken in M60 and my M&P 40 to be all that different. I also don't thing one would be any more susceptible to an AD due to unintentional trigger manipulation than the other.

Bottom line is keep your finger off the trigger until ready to shoot, use a quality holster designed specifically for the firearm and be cognizant of any loose articles of clothing, etc that could get caught on the trigger when reholstering and you wont have to worry about safeties.

It's my belief that safeties (and unloaded guns) can make people careless or lazy. How often do we hear or read "I thought the safety was on." or "I thought the gun was unloaded." from an individual who just experienced an AD?