Is There Others Growing Tired of Packing?

[agksimon]

OP,

I worry that you don't consider accuracy important in an exchange @ 3 ft. Accuracy is important if the distance is measured in inches.

I have found this to be very true. I am a fairly good shot, even shooting fast in IDPA out to 25 yards and beyond, but have missed shots at less than 3 yards, because I let speed overrun my ability under stress.

 

[raymo2u]

maybe a governor with pdx or 000 buckshot would be suitable for quick shots at close ranges

 

[Shoo2tr]

I agree with your observations which are the same reasons I carry a Kahr PM9 as my EDC. In winter months with bulkier jackets and sweaters I will sometimes carry the XDs .45.

Since break-in the PM9 has been 100% reliable but the caveat being I'm one of those who absolutely love the Kahr DAO trigger. As always, to each his own...

 

[bearfoot]

my buddy used to carry a glock in a belly/ chest band. now all summer he carries in his cargo pants pockets. as stated w/ options from the daily wearers, almost like a test usuage/ trial, what works for them is what they'll use. a desantis TUFF TUCK i think, has an adj cant angle. it will clip in/ on your pocket lip, be right at your hand, easy to draw. a shirt to cover it or not. don't care for it for everyday carry. always in the same place. i like the OWB holster! between the belt loops.

 

[millisec]

Holsters and means of carrying are like clothes... something for everyone's preference and needs. My Shield in an inexpensive suede Galco IWB, at appendix, is comfortable and as second nature as carrying my wallet and I don't leave home w/o either. Of course that's influenced by the fact I live in FL and wear shorts and tee's or un-tucked shirts almost year round. To me the real beauty is that I don't need to wear a belt to carry.

 

[raymo2u]

i dont wear a belt with my fobus but my pants and shorts are tied tighter because of it....im not a jeans fan, im a sweatsuit shirts/shorts guy. cant move like you can with a jogging suit on

 

[Nakanokalronin]

I had a Shield and currently have an XDS45 which is the same size. I don't get tired of carry the XDS IWB because I use my BG380 as my pocket option when needed. I would personally look at pocket options as an addition to your EDC gear, but you mentioned not wanting to do any type of IWB carry. The decision is up to you.

Thankfully I don't work at a place where my shirts need to be tucked in, but even then I still have my pocket option.

 

[raymo2u]

ankle holster as an option? throwing your ankle up and towards your back with a slip fit gun/holster would b, you can easily grab the gun while its on its way up. its a good option for shirt tucked/concealed jobs...just practice the move with your equipment until your comfortable

 

[M1fuzz]

I usually carry a Sig P239 most of the time off duty. But, once in a while I pocket carry a S&W BG380. Love that little thing. I feel very confident in it and don't feel undergunned (I do carry two extra mags).

I have had a Kel-Tec 3at, LCP, and a 642. By far like the BG380 the best. Smooth and accurate for a 380. One of my quals for work is standing to prone 5 shots at 50 yards. The BG380 will reliably put 3 out of 5 in the "Q" target.

Carry what you can carry. Just carry and put the hits where they count.

 

[mr2r6]

I don't blame you. I think the Shield is way to big for pocket carry. I have an LCP for pocket carry and it's a big as I would go for pocket carry. Id give IWB a chance with a good holster belt before you knock it.

 

[shawn mccarver]

By happenstance, I was right next to Ken Hackathorn at the SIG booth at the SHOT Show when SIG first brought out their little copy of the Colt Mustang. I asked him directly what he thought of it, and he said, "It looks like a gun for someone who really doesn't need a gun." That brings to mind what Clint Smith said about this topic of comfortable guns for carry: "Concealed carry is not supposed to be comfortable, it is supposed to be comforting." Stay with the 9mm. It is a small price to pay.

 

[Lost Lake]

I used to tell all my friends that the 380 is a worthless round but after shooting my BG380 it has changed my mind.

Can you explain how the .380 went from worthless to a great self-defense round just because you own one now?

I have a BG380 and I think it is a pretty poor choice for defending myself. Better than chucking rocks, but probably not by much.

I'm not picking on you, but I take notice that most people believe what they own is what everyone should own.

If a person owns a certain gun, they freely dispense the advice that it is the perfect gun for everyone.

Years ago when I was quite a bit younger, I had a .357 revolver. I still have it, it is a Taurus, and it is a great gun. Never a glitch, 6" stainless barrel, accurate as heck.

I used to tell everyone that the .357 was the best caliber hands down. With a 125 grain bullet it was a sure bad-guy-stopper. And it probably is.

But nowadays I quit telling folks that such-and-such a gun or caliber is the best. I don't think there's a whole lot of difference if you hit your target, but a bad hit is definitely better with a bigger bullet than a smaller one.

So when someone tells me a .380 is a potent bad-guy-stopper I just smile and wish them the best. People are going to carry what they own, and as long as they are happy, what do I care?

I prefer a .45, and carry one now and again, but you'll usually find me with a 9mm on my hip. I can shoot any gun I carry pretty well, and I believe in it, so I'm happy.

I hope none of us ever has to defend ourselves or our loved ones, and if we do, I hope each of us prevails no matter what we happen to be carrying that day.

Good luck out there....

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[raymo2u]

if its a true self defense attack a .380 will be enough...typically self defense is rated between point blank to 7 feet, which the .380 can deliver in. anything further you would be risking an offensive strike in court and not a SD case. its not the best round by far but for a self defense round it should do whats needed and nothing more

 

[Lost Lake]

if its a true self defense attack a .380 will be enough...

I wish you the best!!!

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[raymo2u]

read/quote the rest of the paragraph please....then leave the sarcastic comment

for those of you who do not know (seemingly) the 380 is a 9mm short so if you would trust yourself to a 9mm@20yrds you should be competent at 7yrds or less with the 380. its not the size of the round, its the placement.
to add i do not own a 380

 

[SickMAK90]

I am the exact opposite... I get mad when I'm forced to remove mine. My college, and work do not allow firearms on the premises. I still keep it in the car, but I honestly hate not having something on me at all times.

 

[bmcgilvray]

Ever smaller, ever lighter ... that's the watchword of this generation of pistol toters. Gotta have convenience.

I feel cheated if I can't contrive to carry at least a Colt Detective Special snub. A 4-inch K-Frame or a full-sized Government Model are more to the point.

 

[raymo2u]

there is the glock 30sf....

 

[Rpg]

Lots of ideas here.

Some basics I think are important:

First: if your firearm isn't available, it won't help.

Second: it makes no difference what firearm you use for self defence if you you have to go get it (fish for it in your pocket or go home to retrieve it)

Third: folks have only very vague ideas about how 'fast' they are getting a firearm into action.

Finally, folks are often wrong.

Try two exercises:

1) on signal, from a surrender postion ( both hands up) draw and fire from concealed carry and hit center mass in 1.5 seconds or less, seven yards.

2) do the 'el presidente' drill: begin back to three IPSC targets at 10 yards with hands in surrender position. On signal, turn and fire (and hit) two shots each target, reload and shoot two more each target (total 12 shots). Ten seconds, start to finish.

Col. Cooper described these tests as qualifying a 'fair hand'.

Try it!

 

[WR Moore]

I will not consider another means of concealment, pocket is a quick method to arm yourself and present the weapon. IWB, belly band nor ankle can not match the shear speed pocket provides presenting your weapon or arming yourself for the day.

Someone else may have brought this up, but lemme see that pocket quick draw while seated. Especially in a car with the seat belt on. Ok, that last is unfair, a quick mash on the long, narrow pedal on the right is a better solution.

Are there others beginning to question if the added weight and size of the 9mm single stack a better choice over a mouse gun considering most self defense situations occur within 3 ft with 3 rounds and ending in 3 seconds.

Russ

Sorry Russ, there aren't any actual real world stats to back up your 3/3/3 theory. All the actual stats are on law enforcement encounters and none of your parameters match up to their published figures.

Admittedly, I've never seen any encounter where some bystander called time out, marked the location of the participants, whipped out a stop watch and called time in. Those encounters captured by patrol car cameras don't match your theory either.

All that said, it's your potential gunfight. Lose it anyway you want.