Issues with gun going on safe when not chambered

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I just installed my new JARD Adj Modular trigger and when i was done i noticed that the gun will now easily go on safe when not chambered. I adjusted the safety screw on the teigger correctly and i tried installing the safe both with the hammer cocked and with it uncocked. No matter what i do i cant get it to work correctly. Is it possible i installed it wrong or that the plastic safe has been forced onto safe too many times by my buddies and now it has worn to the point it moves when it isnt aupposed to?


Thanks for your input.
 
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Like an AR, there is also a metal detent pin and spring that put tension on the safety. Did you put these back in when you took off the grip? Did you take the grip off?
 
Safe not available when nothing is chambered with trigger not cocked
 
Yea i did take the grip off.

Yes i replaced the spring and detent.

Yes the gun has gone on safe a bunch when not loaded. Many of my friends dont realize its not supposed to go on safe when not chambered.

I do realize it isnt supposed to go on safe when not chambered but it is doing this with relative ease. Not sure if it was like this before I didnt realy notice till i went to put it back together.
 
The nub on the safety detent could be worn as well. The 15-22's detent is plastic, and if your buddies forced the firearm into 'safe' when the hammer was not cocked, it could easily have broken or worn down.

Take the safety selector out. To do this, turn the safety half-way between 'fire' and 'safe', and then push it out of the lower receiver. Once the safety selector is out, you should see the detent sticking up about half-way through hole. If yours doesn't pop up that far, then either the detent is broken, or installed incorrectly.

Good luck.
 
rbpwrd240 said:
I just installed my new JARD Adj Modular trigger and when i was done i noticed that the gun will now easily go on safe when not chambered.
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You haven't said and (I'm surprised) no one has asked...

When the hammer is cocked and the safety engaged, does the safety work? Preventing the hammer from falling when you (attempt to) pull the trigger?
 
Maybe your choice of terminology is confusing me. You keep using "chambered". The gun should go on safe if it is cocked, even with no round chambered. Or do you mean it is going on safe with the bolt locked to the rear?

Edited to add: I came into this thread from New Posts and only just realized you are talking about a 15-22, not a regular AR. I don't know a thing about them, my apologies if my post is off-mark.
 
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The safe does function when the gun is chambered. Im guessing its just that the plastic has worn.
 
For clarity. There's a difference between "chambered" and "cocked". A round is either chambered or not chambered. A firearm is either cocked or not cocked.

A round can be chambered and the weapon can either be cocked or not cocked at the me time. Or, a weapon can be cocked or not cocked without a round being chambered.

1. Is a round chambered and weapon cocked?

2. Is a round chambered and weapon not cocked?

3. Is the weapon cocked with no round in the chamber?

Choose, 1, 2, or 3. Or any combination please.

You should only be able to put the weapon on safe if the weapon is cocked regardless of weapon being loaded or empty.
 
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Are you not going to check it? Then why did you ask? Can the piece of broken plastic get wedged at base of disconnector and cause it to fail and allow the gun to fire multiple shots with one trigger pull? Will it cause the hammer to fall when you take safety off? And approximately 20 other problems. How hard are your " buddies" pushing on it to get it to go on safe when not cocked. Are you still not going to check it? Be Safe,
 
rbpwrd240 said:
The safe does function when the gun is chambered. Im guessing its just that the plastic has worn.
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Easy enough to confirm or disprove by re-installing the original trigger group. BUT, it may also be possible the Jard MODULAR trigger group is different and the safety may engage without the hammer being cocked.

If, with the Jard trigger, the safety works as it should when the hammer is cocked, what's the problem? So what if it also engages with the hammer not cocked?

Have you contacted Jard to see if this is normal with their modular trigger?
 
Cocked chambered who cres. To me you understand what i. Saying or your just trying to argue symantics.

Im not going back to the last trigger group because its already in another rifle. I feel the safe is just worn. I just wanted to make sure i installed it correctly thats all. I did it a few times bot starting on safe and off both cocked and uncocked and i get the same results.

I have adjusted the modular trigger for lb of pull and sear engagment and reset everything works ad it should.
 
rbpwrd240 said:
Cocked chambered who cares. To me you understand what i. Saying or your just trying to argue semantics.
Im not going back to the last trigger group because its already in another rifle. I feel the safe is just worn. I just wanted to make sure i installed it correctly thats all. I did it a few times bot starting on safe and off both cocked and uncocked and i get the same results. I have adjusted the modular trigger for lb of pull and sear engagement and reset everything works ad it should.
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SO at this point you do not know if it is installed correctly? You can install something incorrectly multiple times. A quick call to JARD would let you know if this is normal for their trigger. So I guess I do not know why you asked the question in the first place, if you refuse to check what other posters suggested. Good Luck.
 
vipermd said:
SO at this point you do not know if it is installed correctly? You can install something incorrectly multiple times. A quick call to JARD would let you know if this is normal for their trigger. So I guess I do not know why you asked the question in the first place, if you refuse to check what other posters suggested. Good Luck.
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Looks like he got it but I gave up. Didn't care for the perceived attitude or perhaps english isn't primary language.
 
Lol, wow guys dont hurt my feelings. Lol. Please anyone feel free to add me to your ignore list. Thia saves me time and effort in the future.
 
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For future reference and assistance, you might seek a better command of the English language, use correct terminology when posting your problems, and respond in a more timely manner when fellow members offer their help. And to paraphrase you, "Lol".
 
bamashooter said:
For future reference and assistance, you might seek a better command of the English language, use correct terminology when posting your problems, and respond in a more timely manner when fellow members offer their help. And to paraphrase you, "Lol".
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Oh i command the english language finee but my phones tiney buttons is another issue. I have no computer access as my internet is down because my house is being rased 16 feet in the air right now and going on stilts. So I am typing from my phone.

As for a timely reaponse how should that affect the posts made.... I have checked back often sorry it wasnt often enough for some.....
 
rbpwrd240 said:
Oh i command the english language finee but my phones tiney buttons is another issue. I have no computer access as my internet is down because my house is being rased 16 feet in the air right now and going on stilts. So I am typing from my phone.

As for a timely reaponse how should that affect the posts made.... I have checked back often sorry it wasnt often enough for some.....
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I hope you resolve your issues.;)
 
The safe works.fine i just wanted aome info here on the correct install procedure. Im convinced its just worn out. I guess ill be looking into that ambi safe now.
 
rbpwrd240 said:
The safe works.fine i just wanted aome info here on the correct install procedure. Im convinced its just worn out. I guess ill be looking into that ambi safe now.
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You have been given MULTIPLE ways to check this. Until you VERIFY and RESOLVE the issue, you have a (potentially) defective, unsafe firearm.

Just sticking an ambi-safe in there may not resolve the issue - if the detent is broken/worn/missing, the ambi safe will likely NOT come with a new detent, thus not solving anything.

I would STRONGLY recommend that you take the firearm to a reputable, knowledgeable gunsmith, OR at least post pictures on this forum so that others can help.
 
The spring and detent are installed. The detent isnt worn its the safety selector thats worn. Why on earth would i need a gunsmith. Explain to me what he can see that i cant? Explain what issues i could possibly have. Saying there could be issues go to a gunsmith is a joke. Unless the safety could explode....
 
Okay, so you should replace the safety with the Battle Arms Development Ambidextrous Safety Switch (it would be so much easier to type that if this forum did allow profanity haha).
It is a much better product than the factory switch. Then you should have no issues.

Then you should tell your friends not to be so kak handed and treat your firearms with a bit more respect.

Then the mods should end this thread. JMO.
 
rbpwrd240 said:
The spring and detent are installed. The detent isnt worn its the safety selector thats worn. Why on earth would i need a gunsmith. Explain to me what he can see that i cant? Explain what issues i could possibly have. Saying there could be issues go to a gunsmith is a joke. Unless the safety could explode....
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I will give you multiple reasons.. By your OWN WORDS:

Your Original Post:
I just installed my new JARD Adj Modular trigger and when i was done i noticed that the gun will now easily go on safe when not chambered. I adjusted the safety screw on the trigger correctly and i tried installing the safe both with the hammer cocked and with it uncocked. No matter what i do i cant get it to work correctly. Is it possible i installed it wrong
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You installed it, and YOU can't get it to work. You don't know if you installed it wrong. Doesn't sound very confident....
Response from multiple people on what to check... Then, you respond:

The safe does function when the gun is chambered. Im guessing its just that the plastic has worn.
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followed by
I feel the safe is just worn.
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Removing the safety is easy. You shouldn't be GUESSING whether a safety is functioning with a firearm.

Finally,
The safe works.fine i just wanted some info here on the correct install procedure. Im convinced its just worn out
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The SAFE on a firearm cannot both be 'fine' and 'worn out'.

You may command the English language (dubious), however, you lack common sense. Your posts tell me that you are NOT competent in fixing or addressing this issue, and worse, are an irresponsible firearms owner.

For those very reasons, you should suck up your pride, and go to a gunsmith. If you do not go to a gunsmith, I really, truly hope that you, or worse, your buddies that abuse your firearm(s), do not have a major malfunction such as a negligent discharge with this firearm that results in injury or death for which, based on your comments on this forum, would make you 100% liable.

Be safe, and good luck.
 
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