J-Frame Carry Round....38-special or 9mm and Why?

I own several J Frame 38-357 Revolvers.
I do not own a 9mm Revolver.
Would be De-Lighted to have a 9mm Revolver,
Without Moon Clips!
 
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38 Spl EDC concealed over 50 years now

Just another old guy's 2 cents worth but Model 36 in 1971, up to Model 60 for stainless feature, then around 2002 to Model 637 for the weight.

American Eagle or Fiocchi 130 gr FMJ as far as I remember, then to Speer Gold Dot 135 gr JHP for carry ammo, extra ammo on 2 Bianchi Speed Strips in pocket (shown with my Model 64)

Plenty of practice. I feel good to go and will continue along these lines. Recoil has always been there and night firing can give you momentary flash blind, but no insurmountable problems that I'm aware of.

Carry in old S&W leather on Galco stiff belt.

OTOH: I really do like my Model 39-2, and my BHP in 9mm, but would not want to carry them around all day. I'll stick with snub wheel S&W's for EDC.

Some good info though in this revived old thread.
 

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"Anyway, at a 110 fps average I still think it's almost a toss up".

That's true, for the numbers you quoted it's only a 30% difference in energy. Not enough to matter.

I have three airweight 9mm J-frames. So far, knock wood, crimp jump has not been an issue on any of them. I wonder why that is?

An aside - I keep seeing references to 'strong side'. For those of us who don't have a hand preference, how do we apply that??
 
No to speedloaders and 9mm conversions

Am I the only guy that thinks if you need to carry a delicate and bulky speedloader you should be carrying a 8-12 rnd semi?
I am a J frame fanboi. I think 5 well rated 125 grain +p is enough.
Paying hundreds of dollars to convert a 38spl to 9mm for cheaper ammo is a false economy.
Before the pandemic a Ruger EC9s (7+1) could be bought for the price of the conversion.
I'm satisfied with my 442 and 360J with whatever factory 110-125gn +P I can find. I practice with handloaded equivalent.
When I need more firepower it's my LC9s. Weights less than a steel J frame and carries 3 more rounds. 100% reliable.
 
Am I the only guy that thinks if you need to carry a delicate and bulky speedloader you should be carrying a 8-12 rnd semi?
I am a J frame fanboi. I think 5 well rated 125 grain +p is enough.
Paying hundreds of dollars to convert a 38spl to 9mm for cheaper ammo is a false economy.
Before the pandemic a Ruger EC9s (7+1) could be bought for the price of the conversion.
I'm satisfied with my 442 and 360J with whatever factory 110-125gn +P I can find. I practice with handloaded equivalent.
When I need more firepower it's my LC9s. Weights less than a steel J frame and carries 3 more rounds. 100% reliable.

Making wayyyyyy too much sense here amigo :D
 
I think that a person shot with a light 9 mm or a light 38 special or a 147 gr 9mm or a 158 gr 38 special will not know the difference. The result depend more on the person and their condition, where they are hit, what they are wearing, how they are positioned to shooter, and the phase of the moon than which of these bullets. Where a 158 gr may fail a 110 may work or vice a versa depending on all the above. Just chose which ever gun you prefer and can shoot.

Of course neither of them compare to my 325 with 200gr Gold dots or my new light weight rig a 32 H&R mag J frame. :D

The important thing is have a gun when you need one and be able to shoot it well
 
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"Paying hundreds of dollars to convert a 38spl to 9mm for cheaper ammo is a false economy".

What does economy or cheaper ammo have to do with it?
 
I'd personally stick with .38 Spl +P. I'm not a fan of the metal clips. Especially when you consider if you lose or damage one of those clips.

The .38 Spl is plenty good for that size and type of handgun.
 
We've probably all got 15 or 20 of those clips. If you damage one, chunk it.
I haven't damaged one yet.
 
I'll guess the OP has decided by now, but I'll still offer my thoughts for free (and worth every penny!). Both 9mm & 38Special are proven. So, just look at your own situation with concerns such as legal, medical, money, what's available, etc.... And be comforted with whichever comes home with you. I'll likely stay with what I already have and not worry about the difference.
 
On False Economy

"Paying hundreds of dollars to convert a 38spl to 9mm for cheaper ammo is a false economy".

What does economy or cheaper ammo have to do with it?

Somewhere in this thread somebody if not the original poster stated the a availability of cheaper 9mm. And I've heard it before. If not that, and the commonality with a semi why would you want a 9mm revolver when 38+p is adequate and 357 is more powerful? I've already stated my distaste for speedloaders, bulky to stash and delicate.
 
I didn't care much for the .38 years ago but now I have more than I need.
Some just can't be beat for a carry gun (642/442/640,etc) and the .38 is a reloaders dream.
As to performance? About the same to me. Just a matter of preference.
Revolver? .38
 
Screwball, what does your 642-1 weigh?
My 9mm 637-2 is 12 5 oz.
 

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Somewhere in this thread somebody if not the original poster stated the a availability of cheaper 9mm. And I've heard it before. If not that, and the commonality with a semi why would you want a 9mm revolver when 38+p is adequate and 357 is more powerful? I've already stated my distaste for speedloaders, bulky to stash and delicate.

All these threads sort of lump together, so I've definitely posted my view before… somewhere.

Ammo commonality was part the reason why I converted. 9mm, .45, .38, and .380 is a lot of different loads to have on hand… even worse with the current times. Being issued a 9mm (Glock 19 MOS) makes it more appealing to stick with the round as much as possible. I have the 642-1, P938, and the LCP (I kept the .380, being you cannot match the size in a 9mm). My .45 was a Glock 30S… but I'll just toss on the identical sized duty gun if I wanted to run that (biggest issue is my port not allowing us to use weapon lights, being I'm not going to pull it off when working… not to mention, I want it common across the board/training). But in today's world, all ammo is expensive. If someone really wants cheap ammo… .22 LR or bust.

Chronographing does give you a perspective that does make the case for 9mm. Comparing the two carry loads I used, I was getting pretty much identical velocity… but my 9mm was 147 grain and the .38 +P was 110 grain. I get that some people don't look at energy numbers… but worked out to about 35% increase in energy. Me, personally… heavier round is superior when other things are equal. A person may not notice the difference, but the glass or whatever other thing the bullet is going thru prior to hitting the threat may very well notice it.

Speedloaders or whatever method of reload you use verses moonclips is going to be personal preference. People will argue their view until the end of time. For me, I shaved a noticeable amount of time off my reload compared to HKS. I like them, and partly the reason I invested in 1917 revolvers (had my C&R for about three years, and just renewed). If I manage to cause a failure with them, I'll definitely review it… but again, I'm using the same 5 over the past few years of carry (I shoot my carry ammo yearly, and then usually will practice with the same clips… either the same range session or unload and reload my practice ammo on them). Take care of your gear, and it usually will take care of you.

But another thing I've never heard brought up, yet it is apparent whenever you look at the rounds side-by-side… is OAL. How many here have shot a cylinder of .38/.357, and had a case or two hang up? Maybe that one round catches between the cylinder and the grip. More so with the Magnums, but the ejector rod on small revolvers isn't that long when you compare to either of the common revolver rounds. Fired 9mm, granted on a moonclip, clears the cylinder on ejection with plenty of room to spare. Likewise, a loaded moonclip can be easily ejected, as the tops of the rounds (at least my 147 grain Hornady XTP and 115 UMC bulk; latter is "affordable" practice ammo) clear the cylinder when the rod is depressed.

To be honest, I really could not care less if people agree with my firearm choices. Hopefully that doesn't come off as condescending, being I really do mean it as such. I carry what I feel works for me, and that is my main decision method with any changes to my carry gear. If I see something different, I'll research it… and if it seems positive, I'll give it a shot.

I used to always run my duty gun reloads on my weak side, vertically… until I asked an FTO if he liked them on the strong side, horizontal. Switched a week prior to qualifications, practiced with them during that time, and liked it when I started doing reload drills prior to the qualification. I have classmates that say it is stupid, and should only be done during ceremonies (our Class 1 uniform is supposed to be worn that way… but outside of the academy, nobody brings it up if you at least have the pouch).

Again, I'm not telling people that X is better than Y, just what I've tried. My posts, take it for exactly what you paid for it. But I did do a little bit of testing, research, and waste of money to get where I'm at. I think I posted it on here (Tapatalk isn't too fun to search stuff), but you can find a thread I made about different methods of 9mm moonclip carry. I think I tried three or four specific carry methods… and gave the pros/cons of them. I hope that someone may have took a look, maybe saving some money and going with a better decision. But in the end, I've done enough research into 9mm J-frames that I'm confident enough in what I got.

And to be crystal clear… no animosity intended towards any member, especially rich5674. Just was the perfect quote to transition into my long winded post. [emoji6]
 
I had both a 9mm LCR and a 9mm SP101. I also had a Brazlian return 1937 in .45ACP. All were good shooters, and I loved the ammo commonality (back when cheap 9mm or .45ACP was a thing...). I was concerned about the ammo jumping crimp, but it never did (only had that happen with factory 45 long colt and .357 in lightweight guns for the calibers).

Eventually the real issue was how absolutely annoying moon clips are. Loading, unloading, and carrying them. I kept wishing I could just dump loose rounds in and go rather than messing with inevitably catching a knuckle or something on a sharp piece of clip or brass, or just wasting the time. The answer to that, as it turns out, is just to use rimmed calibers and be done with it. If .45 auto rim, or a 9mm equivalent, was still readily available then I'd love to stick with one. I find 9mm to be a superior caliber in most applications, but it's not that much better than .38SPL, and in the case of revolvers I guess sometimes we gotta dance with the girl that brung ya.
 
The things I like best about the moonclips are the quick reloads and the convenience of carry.
 
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I also like that about the Safariland Comp I/II speedloaders. They have proven themselves to be very durable over the last several decades, and were popular in law enforcement during the last stretch of the revolver era. They have given me great service, and it is hard to go back to a "twist" style loader after becoming accustomed to them. For me, a "push" style speedloader is more user friendly than moonclips. I also prefer the .38 Special cartridge over the 9mm.

As with many things, this is a personal preference and someone elses' mileage may vary.
 
I'm too old and this thread is too long for me to re-read it, so excuse me if this has been said already. I think OP should ask himself if he shoots a lot. My carry gun is usually dirty because I just shot it that day or the day before.

Carry what you shoot, if you can.
 
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