Jim Cirillo's Weapon Silhoutte Point Method

In Chapter 7, he talks about his weapon silhoutte method of pointing a handgun versus active sighting. He advocated subliminal sighting instead of directly using the sights. He said using the silhoutte of the weapon worked optimally in poor light conditions (where the weapon sights could not be seen) and in shooting distances within 10 to 15 yards (with a closing threat).
His book is the only one I ever threw away. Normally I don't thorw them away, no matter how bad it is, but his fell on the floor in the basement and I just didn't feel it was worth bending over to pick it up, then after a feew weeks we had a heavy rain and so...I have a few more "point shooting" books that I should get rid of, but we don't have a basement anymore.

Anyway, HIStechniques were nothing new and were only a rehash of others before him. Bringing a gun up to eye level really defeats the benefit of real point shooting and just because you can see the outline of the firearm doesn't mean you are going to be able to hit anything with it.
 
His book is the only one I ever threw away. Normally I don't thorw them away, no matter how bad it is, but his fell on the floor in the basement and I just didn't feel it was worth bending over to pick it up, then after a feew weeks we had a heavy rain and so...I have a few more "point shooting" books that I should get rid of, but we don't have a basement anymore.

Anyway, HIStechniques were nothing new and were only a rehash of others before him. Bringing a gun up to eye level really defeats the benefit of real point shooting and just because you can see the outline of the firearm doesn't mean you are going to be able to hit anything with it.


Wow. Tell us how you really feel. :)

Shooting a handgun for life or death is a continuum between absolute unsighted fire at holster level where the attacker is wringing your neck to taking a sharp front sight, aimed shot at 50 or more yards. Being proficient at all levels in between will keep you alive.

p.s. There are some that can hit very well at amazing distances just using the outline of the gun (or less).
 
Right you are, and it's the "and less" that I'm talking about. As the distance grows between you and the target any alignment errors grow proportionaly. Just putting the weapon in front of your face doesn't mean it's lined up, and if it's during a very low light situation it gets worse. If you can't see if the guns is lined up, the next best way for many people is to "feel" it, and if you can do that you don't need the gun in front of your face at all. In fact, many point shooters go for the feel and don't take the time to see it even in day time.
 
I'm thinking this may be what Ayoob calls 'reference aiming"- maybe. He has 3 basic styles, sights, point (absolutely no use of sights) and reference, using some sort of reference points- maybe it's not 'reference" but it means the same thing- getting old, it ain't for sissies, is it...
 
Hello Again,

I have been range shooting with my 340PD and my Sig P238 using Cirillo's weapons silhoutte point method lately and have been happy with the results.

I shoot at a silhoutte target out to 7 yards. In the 340PD I am using Magtech 38SPL 148 gr lead wadcutters at around 700 fps/166 ft lbs. It is a very manageable range load for the lightweight 340PD. Out of a 50 round box, I think there are usually maybe 5 shots out of center mass, but still on the silhoutte.

Results with the Sig P238 were a tad better with tighter groupings in center mass and all 50 shots in center mass, no strays. Less recoil probably amounts to the slight increase in accuracy.

Next visit to the range, I will experiment with my Sig P220 and the silhoutte method.

Practice, practice, practice.

Cheers,

Richard in Plano TX
 
If you are becoming interested in point shooting, get the little book "SHOOTING TO LIVE by Fairbairn and Sykes......

The principles and techniques taught in SHOOTING TO LIVE are simple, easy to adopt methods capable of being practiced in your front room and on any informal range available to you. You'll be surprised after a few weeks practice, how many hits you can make on a paper plate at 21' with your handgun never coming above your chest.

Again I have to point out, this is not fine shooting. This is guts on the line, live or die survival shooting. If you want to snuff out candles or shoot prairie dogs, you have to use your sights. :)



I bought this on kindle and read it last night. Thanks for the tip. Way overdue to read this, seems as though my father must have been taught from this, (he served in WWII in Pacific Theatre) since this is what he showed me, pretty much. The only book I remember on gunfighting around his workshop was Bill Jordan " No second place winner".
 
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The biggest challenge I have experienced with practicing point shooting is trying to instinctively "unlearn" years of front sight acquisition. I'm gradually getting away from raising the pistol and automatically focusing on the front sight alignment ... when I do it well, the point shots are exactly where they need to be.

An advantage that I've found with point shooting is that it eliminates reliance on front sight picture for us folks who are visually challenged. Anyone with poor eyesight that is corrected by glasses knows the difficulty of seeing anything clearly without their glasses. Point shooting virtually negates that problem ... as long as a blurry image can be made out in the form of a target, the point shooter can direct a line of fire completely independent of front sight picture and alignment.

One interesting side note ... I'm finishing up another wonderful Jim Corbett tiger hunting book, where he describes sitting out on a pitch black night, overlooking a cow carcass, while waiting for his quarry to return. With no light from stars or moon, Corbett describes how he approximated the tiger's position at the carcass, and fired a shot based on SOUND alone.

Since I've been working diligently on point shooting the past two months, I've become a devout convert ...
 
Jim ... If you haven't experienced Corbett's books, do so as time permits. He is an engaging writer and recreates his big cat encounters with modesty and humor. His recollections of tracking and killing man-eaters are quite remarkable, and the internal fortitude it took to stare down these big critters must have been off the charts. As far as pure story telling enjoyment goes, Corbett's writing is on the top of my list with that of Teddy Roosevelt. Different men from a different time.
 
I've read everything I can find on him, and enjoyed it greatly. One thing that comes glaringly out of his stories, is the luck he had in his endeavors. He wasn't the best shot, nor the best hunter, nor eve the smartest one in the bunch. But he was no coward, and had a drive we can only imagine today.
 
While not strictly about Point Shooting, this does deal with Jim Cirillo.
I have his book and both of his videos.

In one of his videos he recounts his first "gunfight" as a member of the
NYPD Stakeout Squad where he found that he referenced the bad guys by the
colors that they were wearing, holding his fire when another color, which
turned out to be a store clerk, came into his field of view.

This past spring I had a somewhat similar experience while dealing with a Raccoon.

I was sitting upstairs at my computer and had been hearing something in the attic.
I had the window open and heard what sounded like something coming
down the tree, the normal route for critters to get on, and off, our roof.

I quickly went downstairs and grabbed my 20 ga. Rem. 870 that has a
Streamlight TLR2s on it, with forearm mounted switch pad.

As I cleared the corner of the house I was scanning the area between the
house and the farm field that the farmer had just disced & planted that day.
The cultivated field begins about 30 ft. from the front of the house with
some trees & "obstacles" between the field & house.

I quickly spotted the Coon about 30' out in the open field to my left, on a dead
run heading to my left, getting close to making a 90 degree turn behind some
bushes & pines that run along the edge of the field along that side of the house.

I started running with my focus on the Coon & the laser dot that was right on it.

Just as I was about to break the shot I had a flash of grey across my line of sight,
our attenae tower, so I held off and just as I was ready again another flash of grey,
some wind chimes hanging in a tree, another flash, this time white, a small bird house
hanging in the same tree. Then a flash of dark grey, the tree trunk itself with another
flash of white, a pvc clean out that comes out of the ground for our drainage system.

This all happened as I was running no further than 40' with my focus on my target and
just as I caught something to my left I knew that it was a small bush that, afterwards,
my line of sight would be no more so I broke the shot while still on a dead run.

Even though I looked that night, and as soon as dawn broke, I didn't find the Coon,
dead, until the next afternoon about 25 yards from where I had shot at it.

In spite of the fact that things were busy while I was running, trying to get my shot,
seeing those colors flash across my field of view made me think of Jim while it was
all going down. It was almost as if time was slowed and I had enough time to do what
I was doing and think about Jim Cirillo talking about "color codes" at the same time.
The whole thing took no more than 3 or 4 seconds once I spotted the Raccoon in the field.

I've shot a lot of critters, at night, around the house, vehicles & barns with both handguns
& shotguns and can say, for a fact, that training for dynamic situations (movement)
is quite a bit different than actually doing it. Time is something that you may not have
much of so the controlled enviroment of a training situation, where you have the time,
is something that you simply have to over-ride if you ever find yourself in a "situation."

If you go into a situation, even as safe as just dealing with a critter, you can't let your
pre-concieved ideas of how something will go down effect your actions if they don't go
the way you expected. Just keep on playing the hand you are dealt and never give up,
no matter how bad you think things may be. When dealing with a bad guy, confidence
in your ability, confidence based on training, will be one of your greatest asset's.

Getting back to the point shooting aspect of it all.
Fully 95% of the time, when dealing with critters, there was no time
to go for the sights proper so some method of point shooting, no matter
what it's called, should be a part of everyone's training program.
 
I have used this technique since the late 1960's for up close high speed shooting. I called it the "profile sighting method" as I used the profile of the handgun, to aim the shots, whether revolver or semiauto.

The handgun is slightly lower in your "view" than if you were using the sights, sorta in your close preferial vision.

It is not instinct or point shooting, as you are using the entire gun itself as the "sights". It does take some practice.

I find it most useful in lower light conditions, and when moving rapidly and shooting, at close range of course.

Here is how to start to train to use it.

Place tape over your front and rear sight. Start at about 3 or 5 yards.

Hold the gun the same as if you were looking at the sights. Shoot a little like this, then gradually lower the gun a little focusing mainly on the target with the handgun in your preferial vision. You goal is to be able to use the "outline" of the handgun as your "sight".

Now for the record let me state that I do believe in using your sights at ALL times, WHEN you can see them, and or when you have the dexterity to look at them...

In low light, and/or when moving rapidly, where you need to watch where you are going, and do not have time for even a flash sight picture, the "Profile Aiming Technique", if practiced, will work for you at typical gunfight combat distances.

It is just another "tool" you can have in your tool box...
 
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