Jogging, guns and rattle snakes

Believe it or not, rattlesnakes are protected in Utah. Don't ask me why.

I was talking about it to my neighbor who is a deputy sheriff. He explained that it meant we couldn't go out and purposely harvest them as they do in Texas and other areas. But, he said, if one was in the middle of the trail where I'm taking my pack string...go ahead and shoot it. Interesting.
 
My wife is from Waurika which is a small town in SW Oklahoma. There's not much to see there but they have a rattlesnake hunt every summer that is the BIG event of the whole county. She took me to it once and I have never seen so many rattlesnakes in my life. There was a box full of em' and this guy pulls out a huge one by the neck, and the snakes head looks like it is nearly as big as my palm. He holds it out for my wife to pet its head and she does. He then hold it up to my chest for me to pet it and that snake looked so mad, I said "I'll pass".

I had dreams about rattlesnakes for a month!
 
Rattlers and water moccasins get a pass unless they are posing a direct and imminent danger (don't tell my wife that though), but a copperhead seen is a dead copperhead in my book. The others are about as afraid of people as people are afraid of them, and really want to get away.

A copperhead, on the other hand, is aggressive and will literally chase you.

I thought Water Moccasins were much more aggressive than Copperheads.:confused:
 
"Yesterday I begin my run and before I get out of my driveway I'm met by a 3' 9-1/2" velvet tale. It resulted in one extra round for the firearms portion of my run."

Rattlesnake? One round? Good thing you got a shot off before your gun jammed!;)
 
Hmmmmmm....poison snakes, extreme heat, frequent deadly tornadoes, supercell storms, drought, blizzards, dust storms, floods, ice storms...I've always wanted to ask someone who lives in Oklahoma...........why?
 
Long ago I used to run on an agricultural community college in the west end of the San Fernando Valley in Los Angeles. 420 acres right in the middle of the developed area. Had it's share of snakes.

One day while running on the asphalt road around the college we came upon about a 5 foot diamond back lying on the sidewalk sunning.

We stopped, looked, and went our way and it went back into the edge of the road grass and weeds.

We do not realize how much we have encroached on what was their original territory.

Normally if left alone, they leave alone.
 
Hmmmmmm....poison snakes, extreme heat, frequent deadly tornadoes, supercell storms, drought, blizzards, dust storms, floods, ice storms...I've always wanted to ask someone who lives in Oklahoma...........why?


Most of your list I've never had to deal with, & I've lived in Oklahoma about twenty two years . Its not like you have the best weather in the world where you live, especially if you are talking about blizzards & ice storms. So why would YOU want to live THERE? Anyplace has good & bad about it. You just deal with it & move on. I'm moving back to Texas, but not because I don't like living in Oklahoma, because I love it here.:D
 
I thought Water Moccasins were much more aggressive than Copperheads.:confused:
Same here. Although we've got some nasty water snakes up here, they are all non-poisonous. But they all seem to have bad attitudes.



...Normally if left alone, they leave alone.

I guess. I'd feel a heck of a lot better if they'd just shout out "Hey dummy, I'm over here. Don't step on me, 'cause I'll bite ya".
 
Hmmmmmm....poison snakes, extreme heat, frequent deadly tornadoes, supercell storms, drought, blizzards, dust storms, floods, ice storms...I've always wanted to ask someone who lives in Oklahoma...........why?

Its kinda like people in California being afraid of earhquakes, and people in the Southeast being afraid of alligator attacks. The things listed above to be afraid of are WAY overrated! I'm much more afraid of the idiots on the big city freeways and the sleezy characters in the bad neighborhoods.
 
Ok, the OP stated he runs and then shoots while his heart rate and respiration are elevated. Uhhmmm, upon seeing a snake mine would have been through the roof and I hope I'd be able to put ONE round in the snake before running out of ammo.

And I agree with bgrafsr, I've always felt Water Moccasins were the more aggressive snake. I saw one swim across a pond and chase a golfer in a golf cart along the fairway for over 25 yards. When I lived close to a lake we had copperheads and they would slither away and all you would normally see is the tail as it disappeared. The Water Moccasins or Cottonmouths were notorious for coming at you.
 
I thought Water Moccasins were much more aggressive than Copperheads.:confused:

Generally, yes, but both are in the genus, Agkistrodon. Young moccasins closely resemble copperheads. Someone may have been chased by a young moccasin and thought it was a copperhead.

That said, I wouldn't be at all surprised to meet an aggressive copperhead. And some rattlesnakes can be quite aggressive.

Some other snakes are notoriously aggressive. These include black mambas and king cobras, especially in mating season.
I remember a video of the late Steve Irwin in Kenya. He foolishly molested a large Egyptian cobra, Naja haje. It went right after him. So did Red Spitting Cobras, Naja pallida, if you want to look them up. Pretty snake. It always amazed me that Australian snakes were so docile around him. Very odd.

He got hold of a black mamba (Dendraspis polylepis) that he finally bagged after a very dangerous effort that nearly got him bitten. He was clearing it out of an African's hut. He made his famous, "I was sweating bullets" quip after that event! Why he thought it might be less hazardous than it was baffles me.

A South African guy named Austin Something (Stevens?) had a similar TV show. He did get tagged by a cobra. I think it was N. haje, although Cape/Yellow cobras (don't recall the scientific name) live there, too.

Both men were pursuing the snakes, hoping for "good TV." :rolleyes: Good undertaker opportunity, too...

Oh: someone on another board recently sneered at me that I don't know an asp (viper) from a cobra. Turned out he objected to my writing that Cleopatra died from self-inflicted cobra bite. Legend holds that she committed suicide with an "asp." I think someone made a bad translation of Greek, Latin, or Egyptian sources. It was surely a snake, but Egyptians of high birth who were condemned were often slain by cobra bite, relatively quick and painless. A viper of that region, probably of the genus Echis, causes an agonizing, slow death. Reptile experts seem to agree that the cobra was a far more likely choice for a queen wanting to die. Cleo may well have had access to a puff adder (Bitis arietans), but that was again a poor choice for a royal suicide, although usually deadly.
 
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Timber rattler, Crotalus horidus?

What'd you shoot it with? You knew we'd ask! :D

My daughter is moving to Oklahoma. I'll warn her they have those up there, too. Her kids really need to be given a course in snake ID, as they'll be in a fairly rural area.

Being in Oklahoma, I'd bet Crotalus h. horidus - but here in North Texas, it's cousin is the Canebrake (Crotalus horidus atricaudatus).
 
You gentlemen who use those big words to identify a genus of snake amaze me. I see one and yell "snake", and anyone in earshot knows exactly what I'm yelling about. If I yelled "Crotalus Horidus", they would think, what in the wide, wide world of sports is he yelling about.:eek::D
 
Being in Oklahoma, I'd bet Crotalus h. horidus - but here in North Texas, it's cousin is the Canebrake (Crotalus horidus atricaudatus).

Thanks, yes. :) The Canebrake seems to have gray tones where the timber has the tan. That's how I try to distinguish them. I believe we do have Timber rattlers in East Texas.
Lord, in the Big Thicket, there's no telling what might be there, including Bigfoot, as indeed has been claimed. I promise you, the Thicket has more than its share of mosquitos!

Didn't some member post a photo of a Canebrake awhile back with the head shot off by a three-inch barreled M-36?

He had a nice little flap holster for that gun, too. He lives in one of the SE states, I believe. Don't recall which .38 load he used. Do recall the pic of a big snapping turtle that was hit in the head by a Walther .380 firing Glaser Safety bullets. Now, THAT was a memorable photo! Almost none of the head was left, but one bulged eye was hanging on a thread. If the ammo maker had seen that, it'd have made one heck of an ad.
 
You gentlemen who use those big words to identify a genus of snake amaze me. I see one and yell "snake", and anyone in earshot knows exactly what I'm yelling about. If I yelled "Crotalus Horidus", they would think, what in the wide, wide world of sports is he yelling about.:eek::D


You've never heard of Crotalus Horridus, the ancient Roman javelin throwing champion? They'd probably think his ghost had returned! :D Honestly, I abhor spectator sports. The only sports program I watch is, "River Monsters." The host is a biologist who used to teach in the UK. He knows the scientific names of those fish. Just doesn't use them in public, because the average viewer doesn't care. The average viewer probably can't find some of the countries he fishes in on a globe! :rolleyes:

Yes, to warn others, yell, "Snake!" or, "Rattler!" But when one wonders the exact species in a photo that may not render colors exactly or where one wonders about the ID based on markings, it is okay, I hope, to be more specific on the Net. This also allows members who might be curious to look up the snake and know they found the right one.

Some species have so many common names that it becomes confusing which is meant. Some yokel was telling me about "gray ducks" on a lake one day. I couldn't tell if he'd shot Gadwalls or maybe a female mallard, etc. What some consider to be gray, others may see as tan, and there are individual variants. For all I knew, the man was talking about coots! He finally said, "Well, the book name is Gadwall." Then, we both knew what was meant.

The cougar/puma has some 20 or more local names in North America alone. It ranges south to Patagonia. Giving the scientific name, Puma concolor makes it clear to the more knowledgeable person or professional scientist what is meant and perhaps, the sub-species. It also lets me have a feel for how much the snake photo poster may know about what he's showing, in case I'm unclear on just which of several similar species is depicted. Some photos aren't all that good. The OP here did a fine job. I was just confirming what I was almost certain about.

Now, if Crotalus Horridus is reincarnated and throws javelins from a chariot in a big race, I might care about the "wide, wide world of sports!" :D
 
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