K22 numbering info please

JeffNW

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Instead of adding to the thread "Dating a K22 by serial number" on this section of the forum, am going just start a new thread(but will use the info)

Using the info from "Dating a K22" based on the serial number of my K22:

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it was shipped sometime in 1947, is this correct?

The serial number is also found on the cylinder:

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As well as the underside of the barrel:

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And on the inside of one the grips-the grip has the matching serial # but it's stamped on one grip-not both-is this correct?

The number on the yoke is a "soft fitting number" and has nothing to do with a serial number:

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What is a soft fitting number-a manufacture code?

(Too much glare in the photo but about 95% blue with a few
tiny nicks on the grips-but it is older than me so I won't complain :)).

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Nice K-22 !

The "soft fitting" number keeps the fitted frame and yoke together after finishing.

I'm sure some one will stop by with a date, I have K5006x, same vintage cepts it's a K-38.
 
Jeff,

Here are the 6 (or 7 on TLs) fixed sight frame serial # locations pre war and locations remaining after WW II until 1957 to look for (not including pre war target sight stamped serial #s):

Gun butt - or forestrap on I frames with grips that cover the butt
Barrel - bottom of barrel or in extractor shroud
Yoke - on rear face visible thru a chamber with a flashlight
Extractor star - backside
Cylinder - rear face
Right stock* – depending on vintage, stamped, scratched or penciled on backside of original grips
Mid-lock cam plate –.44 HE 1st Models only (up to all 5 digits).

*Stamped since 1857, stock #s, always right side only, changed to penciled #s c. 1900 and back to stamped #s in 1929. Scratched, penciled or stamped on hard rubber grips; finally discontinued ~ late 1970s.

Assembly (factory work) #s: Other multi-digit numbers of 3 to 5 digits, are on the yoke at the hinge, in the 'yoke cut' on frame opposite the yoke near the hinge, and inside of the sideplate, for the pre war and early post war period. The assembly # in the yoke cut of the frame was relocated to the left side of grip frame after model #s were assigned and the serial # was added in the 'yoke cut' where the assembly #, moved to the grip frame, used to be. You know they are assembly (factory work) #s because of those 3 locations that always match on guns that are original, and that's the only usefulness for them after guns leave the factory: still used to this day, long after serial number locations decreased.

Here's the story of the production process including when and how the 'work numbers' are used in brief from 'the man' himself:

"I will give you a general outline of the manufacturing process up to about the 1957 period when the soft fitting department was eliminated. The company is divided into departments, forging, frame, barrel, cylinder, small parts, heat treat, stocking department, soft fitting, polishing, finishing, hard fitting, test range, final inspection, and shipping. The flow is roughly in that order.

"Bar stock is forged into frames, barrels, hammers, triggers, and side plates stamped from flat stock. These parts are all trimmed and sent to the appropriate department. In each department the parts are machined to a finished stage.

"In the frame department once the frame is partly finished a yoke is fit to it and the yoke and frame are stamped with a work number. The frame is then sent to the man who fits the side plate which is swaged onto the frame and the side plate is given the work number in the slot cut for the hand. The yoke and side plate are over size so the frame with these parts in position are sent through the machining operations so that they are blended together.

"When the frame is finished it is sent to the stocking department where a pair of stocks are fit to the frame. Once the stocks have been fit, the frame, yoke and the stocks are stamped with a serial number. Only the frame will have a letter prefix if one is assigned to that model. The frame is then sent to soft fitting and the stocks to finishing and when they are done to the inspection department.

"In soft fitting the frame is fit with a finished barrel, cylinder, and internal parts. The barrel, cylinder and extractor star are stamped with a serial number. The gun is disassembled and the small parts placed in a bin and sent to hard fitting. The frame, barrel, and cylinder are sent to polishing then to get a blue or nickel finish.

"Once completely finished they are sent to hard fitting, where the gun is assembled, the fitter stamps his mark in the yoke cut, and its inspected by the floor inspector. From hard fitting the handgun goes to the range where it is test fired and marked with a prick punch mark in the lower front corner of the cyl window, usually.

"From the range it goes to the inspection department where the first inspector finds the right numbered pair of grips and puts them on the handgun. It then goes to final inspection where all the features are inspected for proper function. Then it is packaged and moved into the vault. From there it goes to the distributor."

Roy G. Jinks
Historian, Smith & Wesson

NOTE: Once soft fitting was eliminated as of May 1, 1957, serial numbering of the yoke, cylinder and barrel were no longer needed to insure all the matching 'soft fitted' parts got back together and were also eliminated.
 
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The SCSW serial # lists are only approximations and of production. Actual shipping dates are quite different and can vary substantially from production.
 
Though determining the exact shipping date always requires a research letter, there is a semi-reliable rough correlation for the Masterpiece model serial numbers and their shipping dates. Other K-22s with serial numbers near yours left the factory in late 1948. Odds are that your gun shipped about that time as well.
 
Additionally your barrel has a factory rework stamp, that small diamond. There should be a stamp on the frame under the grips that will indicate when the work was done. i.e. 5 65 For May of 1965
Looks like it may of had a barrel swap.
 
It has always been an interesting excercise to review the SWCA database for ship dates. Some models can not even be estimated to within many years due to the fact that the factory did not ship in sn order. The K-22 Masterpiece revolver was better than most, but nailing down a single year shipped is not possible. Here are some examples near your serial number.

556XX 12/00/1948
567XX 11/00/1948
591XX 3/28/1950
591XX 02/00/1950
592XX 07/00/1949
 
K54342:
K18,732 – K73,121…...1948 (manufacture)
The closest SN on my list is K573xx which shipped on 11/22/48. Yours was probably close to that, but it's impossible to be exact without a factory letter, as S&W did not ship in SN order.

The SN on the grip is found stamped only on the rear side of the right panel, not on both.
 
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I don't believe anyone mentioned this. Serial numbers at this time were not specific to model. In the case of the "K" series this is used on all K-T(arget) models. In this series the gun could as well be a K-22, K-32, K-38, or a .22, .32, or .38 Combat Masterpiece. Yes, there were a (very) few .32 Combat Masterpiece revolvers made!
 
The first CM was at approximately K76000, from late 1949, so any lower SN would not be a CM. K1090 would probably have been shipped in March or April of 1947. The vast majority of early K-models were K-22s.
 
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Identfying info S&W K-22

Very informative and complete info for this great S & W revolver !!

Mine is Stamped K 1743

On the bottom of the Frame, Bottom of the Barrel & Cylinder Face.

The only numbers on the inside of the Right Grip are 81 followed by 133

There is no Address on the Right side of the Barrel.
(22 Long Rifle CTG)

The S&W Logo is on the Right Side, on the Frame, above the Grip.

It has the Larger Knurled Knob on the end of the Extractor Rod.

There is NO Model number - K-22, Mod 19 or ??) anywhere on this gun.

So. what Model do I have here ???

I got a 1 Oz Silver Ingot with the gun and went on Google and found out what that's worth.

Thanks for ALL the Help, rcroger
 
Very informative and complete info for this great S & W revolver !!

Mine is Stamped K 1743

On the bottom of the Frame, Bottom of the Barrel & Cylinder Face.

The only numbers on the inside of the Right Grip are 81 followed by 133

There is no Address on the Right side of the Barrel.
(22 Long Rifle CTG)

The S&W Logo is on the Right Side, on the Frame, above the Grip.

It has the Larger Knurled Knob on the end of the Extractor Rod.

There is NO Model number - K-22, Mod 19 or ??) anywhere on this gun.

So. what Model do I have here ???

I got a 1 Oz Silver Ingot with the gun and went on Google and found out what that's worth.

Thanks for ALL the Help, rcroger

Gee Roger, there are lots of replies already answering your questions in your other post about your K-22.

Pics yet?
 

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