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I have a Kahr CM9 for small size. I've always coveted Sig but never pulled the trigger. 
Keep Shield or upgrade to Sig P365?
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Lets see! Weighs less, shorter , thinner, easier to conceal and holds much more "Ammo"!
Sounds like an Upgrade to me! What's the old saying " If it looks like an Upgrade, carries like an Upgrade and shoots like an Upgrade then it's an "Upgrade"!
Need to see how it holds in my hand!
Yeah...barrel and slide peening, serious issues going into battery and other feeding problems, and only 2x the price!!!!
Not seeing how a possible jam-o-matic is an "upgrade". Maybe 6 months to a year from now...
Agree 100%, which is why i am waiting for a while, however these issues on "Some" have been fixed or so they say which is why i am waiting!
Even Shield had issues when 1st released as did all of the Gen 4 Glocks, but with Sig and the P320 Fiasco which they still cant fix with the Military guns its is more concerning!
I also i am concerned if 365 is drop safe, since the trigger looks the same as on the 320 with no trigger safety like gadget? Have not heard about this but took yrs. before it showed up on the 320.
Even Shield had issues when 1st released as did all of the Gen 4 Glocks, but with Sig and the P320 Fiasco which they still cant fix with the Military guns its is more concerning!
I also i am concerned if 365 is drop safe, since the trigger looks the same as on the 320 with no trigger safety like gadget? Have not heard about this but took yrs. before it showed up on the 320.
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I agree about all the other issues but am not worried about the P365 being drop safe. After the 320 fiasco one of the first thing a some of early adopters did was hit the 365 with a mallet trying to get it to go off. None of them did. Sig would have been foolish to release another gun with that issue.
I've shot Shields and while they are nice guns, it feels like I'm gripping a 1X2 board. I went with a Kahr CM9 and it has fit me well. I shoot it well and it has never had a jam. That being said, I saw a Sig P 365 at the range and handled it. It compares in size to the Kahr CM9 and quite a bit smaller than the Shield. It is truly a pocket pistol, like the Kahr CM9 and with the extra capacity, it looks like it could replace my Kahr. I have one on pre-order and should have it in a few months. By that time all the kinks will have been worked out. I'll give it a chance to replace the Kahr, because of the extra capacity, but it has a hard row to hoe to beat the CM9.
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I may have to walk my previous comment back. I clearly remember seeing at least one video on Youtube where someone hit the back of his P365 with a mallet trying to get it to go off. But when I tried to find that video to post a link I couldn't find it. It either got buried in a flood of P365 videos or got caught in some sort of YouTube gun channel purge.
I can understand not wanting to throw your brand new gun on a concrete floor. But given all the 320 issues I am surprised more people did not try hitting it with a mallet.
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Is the P365 an upgrade to the shield? Not in my view and here is why. It is not because of any trigger upgrades or for that matter actually anything to do with the pistols at all. It is because of the hours of training I have put in with my shield and the comfort level I have with it. Carrying the shield for me is like leaving the house with my wallet in my pocket, it is just something you do and sometimes you don't even know it is there.
When I consider cost of a carry pistol I factor in my hours of time required and sometime the confusion that comes along with it. Meaning carrying a Shield and having developed muscle memory and great reaction time, while practicing and getting familiar with the P365. This change is costly to me. I am no professional operator
If it were to be used as a range pistol then all of this changes
Obviously I cannot argue with your earnestly held opinion, but I have to say that when I switch occasionally from my full size M&P's to the Shield for IPDA-style practice I find it less disruptive with each passing year. You slowly become a "pistolero" and the things that were one hard -- picking up the sights, etc., slowly become more instinctive. It is good to allow for change -- you may someday have to fight with the gun you took from the BG.
I like to be on the trailing edge of things. Especially with companies that have a somewhat spotty reputation when it comes to quality issues.
So, no.
Many Shields still have issues with Slide Lock spring/bar locking gun down and there still are the mag spring issues, not to good + they were all recalled in the past also (seems also spotty quality) despite doing a lot of research i did not find out about these issues till after i bought the Shield.
If i had known don't think i would have got 1 since i had to buy Wolff spring for all my mags.
If i had known don't think i would have got 1 since i had to buy Wolff spring for all my mags.
I have not seen or even heard it discussed but hear that unless a Striker pistol has a trigger safety like Glock, it could fire and only took 5 yrs. to find out with P320!
Out of the current Famous guns the ones are not "Drop Safe" Sig P320, Walther PPS, Honor Guard, Turkish Caniks sold by Century and no telling how many more?
Honor guard disputes this but it is proven they are not safe and the P320 and the Caniks are voluntary "Upgrades" and with Caniks U pay ship both ways!
Sig is still not able to fix the Drop Safe issue with the Military P320 guns, which have a different trigger unit( which is tamper proof) but now they have been breaking apart and Sig wants the Army to use the Civilian type triggers but also their other issues have not been fixed.
I would not want a P320 even if upgraded since this gun has has issues from day 1!
Rcently bought a Sig 229 Enhanced Elite and it is "Fantastic"!
Honor guard disputes this but it is proven they are not safe and the P320 and the Caniks are voluntary "Upgrades" and with Caniks U pay ship both ways!
Sig is still not able to fix the Drop Safe issue with the Military P320 guns, which have a different trigger unit( which is tamper proof) but now they have been breaking apart and Sig wants the Army to use the Civilian type triggers but also their other issues have not been fixed.
I would not want a P320 even if upgraded since this gun has has issues from day 1!
Rcently bought a Sig 229 Enhanced Elite and it is "Fantastic"!
I think the Shield is superb. And with 2,000,000 out there, fairly well proven.
It would be a viable strategy, though, to buy a P365 and run a direct comparo, and then -- if the P365 disappoints -- sell it. Used P365's will bring high bucks for a while.
But much of the equation behind successfully applying a handgun to a problem is experience and practice. I think I've hurt my accumulation of expertise, over the years, by having too many different platforms, so why add one more? At this stage in life, my J frames are easy to carry and likely to be along with me, summer or winter. The Shield fits -- and the P365 would fit -- a narrow band for use, mostly those times when I can afford the luxury of having a holster and carrying more rounds, e.g., a walk in the woods in winter.
The other guns around here go from there, e.g., not likely to be carried, except when open carry is feasible and won't draw censure. The J is most likely to be carried. So, for me, and I suspect for others who carry the smallest thing that can be assessed to do the task, there is not so much need to replace the Shield - it fits a niche anyway.
Now, if the P365B came with a hammer, it would be different - the Shield would be sold off. I'd love to have ALL and ONLY hammer fired handguns.
It would be a viable strategy, though, to buy a P365 and run a direct comparo, and then -- if the P365 disappoints -- sell it. Used P365's will bring high bucks for a while.
But much of the equation behind successfully applying a handgun to a problem is experience and practice. I think I've hurt my accumulation of expertise, over the years, by having too many different platforms, so why add one more? At this stage in life, my J frames are easy to carry and likely to be along with me, summer or winter. The Shield fits -- and the P365 would fit -- a narrow band for use, mostly those times when I can afford the luxury of having a holster and carrying more rounds, e.g., a walk in the woods in winter.
The other guns around here go from there, e.g., not likely to be carried, except when open carry is feasible and won't draw censure. The J is most likely to be carried. So, for me, and I suspect for others who carry the smallest thing that can be assessed to do the task, there is not so much need to replace the Shield - it fits a niche anyway.
Now, if the P365B came with a hammer, it would be different - the Shield would be sold off. I'd love to have ALL and ONLY hammer fired handguns.
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In my case the reason the P365 interests me is it seems to be the smallest and most high cap picket pistol ever!
The shield is not a Pocket pistol, i also carry a Keltec P32 but its only 7/8 +1 and .32 cal.
So once some issues get worked out, the P365 will the best most powerful and smallest/lightest High cap pistol available.
The shield is not a Pocket pistol, i also carry a Keltec P32 but its only 7/8 +1 and .32 cal.
So once some issues get worked out, the P365 will the best most powerful and smallest/lightest High cap
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I am one of the lucky few who did get a P365 at BassPro. Mine has been flawless. As for giving up my Shield for one, I wouldn't. The main advantage of the P365 for me is to pocket carry. I can't do that with the Shield. But for IWB, I have the Shield with the +2 Magguts which give me 9+1 with the (originally) 7-round magazines. At least for me, the Shield is a very stable, reliable carry.
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That put me off, too. Distracted from his Smooth Talker delivery, sounded sincere, acted like a dodo.
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I stumbled on "...or even heard it discussed but hear..."
However, here are a couple examples that don't comply with what you hear: Walther P99AS, H&K P7s are striker fired and have no trigger safeties at all. The P7s in particular will not fire when whacked. They can't. The P99AS has two drop safeties and a firing pin block, no other safeties but does have a decocker. They work just fine amd I'm sure there are others that don't follow the Glock example..
P99C AS:
H&K P7M13:
Nottawa much of an upgrade. Especially given sigs many issues with the 365 and most all of their polymer pistols. An upgrade would be to a m&p 9c or a 45c for a few reasons
Mag compatibility assuming your weapon system is m&p
PROVEN reliability
& capacity.
An even better upgrade would be to a full size m&p.
Mag compatibility assuming your weapon system is m&p
PROVEN reliability
& capacity.
An even better upgrade would be to a full size m&p.
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