Keep Shield or upgrade to Sig P365?

[greeenteeee]

In the end, my ability to use a gun is more important than measurements.

THIS^

I'm at around 2000 now through 2 Shields (gave my first to my gf) I'm confident in my ability with it. I have become very well acquainted with my Shield but I couldn't hit 6" steel at 10 yards with it when I first got it.

Sadly I think you have to own it to know... some range time with a rental may not suffice in my opinion.

 

[jolaine]

my loyalty lies with Smith and Sig equally, my P226 is as flawless as they come and with that being said in approx. 1800 rds through my Shield I have NEVER had one failure of any kind, It will take a lot for me to replace my Shield anytime soon as my edc

 

[BE Mike]

I agree with U 1000% however this thread is about sub-compact pistols!

As i said the P365 to me only fits my hand/grip only good with the 12 rd. mag, the Shield only with a+2 extension on the 7 rd. mag and the FP9 with a +1 mag ext. and my P32 with a +1 extension.

If i am in a shoot out i want to have a full grip rather then a partial unstable one!

Not all handguns suit all folks. Isn't it wonderful that there are so many choices! That being said, when one makes a sweeping statement that only certain handguns are suitable for pocket carry, one must expect push back. I'm sure that some folks don't consider a S&W 642 suitable for pocket carry. So tell me about your unhappy experiences with Kahr pistols. BTW, I don't consider AK's to be useful beyond shotgun distances.

 

[Pef]

Seems many are replacing their Shields with the P365 and i will say the 365 interests me and i will look at 1 if i ever see 1!

Anybody here got 1 yet or planning on getting 1?

I have 1500+ rounds through my 9mm Shield and not one failure. No light strike, no jams, nothing. 7+1 or 8+1, depending on the mag I carry.

I'm not going to spend more money for another gun and more money for ammo just so I can carry an extra 3 rounds.

More generally, I have what I need for now. I've been on the "buy the latest and greatest" merry-go-round before, and all it does (for me) is leave me unsatisfied, as I'm always "looking for more" and in the "Oh, if I had only waited until *THIS* gun was released" mode of regret.

I carry either a J-frame, a Shield, or a 1911. Each is proven and I practice with each regularly.

I understand the allure of the P365, and new guns in general. But at some point I just stopped buying the latest and greatest. Funny thing is all of my recent purchases are the "old school" 1911s.

If others enjoy getting a new carry gun and shooting the heck out of it for a year or two until the next new thing comes along, then that is great for them and I have no problem with their practice. Do what you enjoy doing. It's just not for me.

 

[dben002]

I have 1500+ rounds through my 9mm Shield and not one failure. No light strike, no jams, nothing. 7+1 or 8+1, depending on the mag I carry.

I'm not going to spend more money for another gun and more money for ammo just so I can carry an extra 3 rounds.

More generally, I have what I need for now. I've been on the "buy the latest and greatest" merry-go-round before, and all it does (for me) is leave me unsatisfied, as I'm always "looking for more" and in the "Oh, if I had only waited until *THIS* gun was released" mode of regret.

I carry either a J-frame, a Shield, or a 1911. Each is proven and I practice with each regularly.

I understand the allure of the P365, and new guns in general. But at some point I just stopped buying the latest and greatest. Funny thing is all of my recent purchases are the "old school" 1911s.

If others enjoy getting a new carry gun and shooting the heck out of it for a year or two until the next new thing comes along, then that is great for them and I have no problem with their practice. Do what you enjoy doing. It's just not for me.

Hallelujah to all the above......been carrying and shooting Shields for 5 years, never once had a problem with the 9 or the 45.....totally trust and have full confidence in the shield platform.......in the process of getting a new 2.0 9 and adding magguts +2 to the seven rounder for carry and magguts +2 to the 8 rounders for spare carry...So I will have a 10 round handgun but more important one that has proved itself over and over and over.

 

[Tom S.]

AKdude: I have one on order. I refuse to pay the premium some dealers are trying to get right now, so there's no telling when I'll get it.

My experience with Sig Arms isn't as extensive as with S&W, but those who disparage their quality, I would submit that Sig has had fewer quality issues than many other companies. I've had zero quality issues with the Sigs I've owned and found them to be on a par with anyone else out there, with the possible exception of custom made arms, and superior to several. My first Sig, Model P228, has been a case study in what a medium-compact pistol should be. It's never failed to fire or feed anything I've put in the magazine, including some reduced power rounds I use in a modified HP for target use only. After buying this, I also bought a P230 (which I made the mistake of selling, and recently replaced with another one from a forum member). The fixed barrel 230 was capable of keeping everything in the black at 25 yards, certainly more than adequate for self defense. I've also owned or own a P210, a P220 and a P226. I will say the 226 did balk at target 9's but I certainly can't blame the pistol for that, since those rounds were never designed to work in that gun.

If the P365 is as good as my other Sigs have been, I'll be happy. And I'm betting it will be.

 

[dben002]

Hallelujah to all the above......been carrying and shooting Shields for 5 years, never once had a problem with the 9 or the 45.....totally trust and have full confidence in the shield platform.......in the process of getting a new 2.0 9 and adding magguts +2 to the seven rounder for carry and magguts +2 to the 8 rounders for spare carry...So I will have a 10 round handgun but more important one that has proved itself over and over and over.

And I did !!!!!!!!!





3 Magguts + 2 extention springs are in route...could not be happier...I will leave the 365 to all the others who wish to have one.

 

[tlawler]

I am number 700 on a waiting list to get mine, and that is just one gun store. I figure by the time my number comes around I should have one with all the latest fixes.

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That reminds me of back when the Glock 26/27 came out.

 

[akdude]

I may still get a 365 in a few months, but sadly Sig cant seem to fix the MHS pistols but did fix the civilian versions, but these have a different trigger control assembly and Sig is now wanting the Military to use the new civilian trigger packs.

But some guns Sig never was able to fix like the "Infamous" Mosquito", so who really knows.

When the Glock 42's came out it took 3+ yrs. before Glock was able to fix those issues, Beretta could never fix the Tomcat and after yrs. in production their Nano & Pico and Neos are still very un reliable!

Back about 1998 saw at show a Vector CP1 pistol and it was the best looking pistol and handling i ever seen, but i knew about it was not drop safe, but this was a new version which was said to be safe but still wasnt.

So later the company put about another recall and bought all guns back for $100. more than people paid but then quit production in 2001.

Before the 2nd Fix (not) they had issued a statement saying don't keep gun loaded and take it & store it apart while were working to fix it, which took almost 2 yrs. before they figured out a fix which also didn't work!

Besides the P320 Fiasco, the Century imported Caniks also have the same issue not drop safe and they have a Voluntary Upgrade but U pay ship both ways.

Then there is the Honor Guard also not drop safe, but they have & will not issue a Voluntary Upgrade or Recall!

To me the 365 feels only fairly decent in hand with a 12 rd. mag and even then not perfect to me and i have medium size hands (on the smaller side)!

I always carry a G27X (13 rd. mag with grip ext.) and would like the 365 as a back up, but will stick with my Keltec P32 for that which with a +1extension fits my hand fine, but we all have different size hands and comfort levels.

I do find it sad that Sig says many of the 365 issues are user induced, but rubbing slide, touching slide lever, limp wristing etc.. this if true shows the guns design is not good for may peoples hand shapes!

 

[dipperdave]

"I do find it sad that Sig says many of the 365 issues are user induced, but rubbing slide, touching slide lever, limp wristing etc.. this if true shows the guns design is not good for may peoples hand shapes!"

Must have learned that from Glock.

When the Gen 4 Glock 19 came out numbers of shooters immediately started having brass-to-face ejection problems. I know since I had two G19s that both had gross BTF, as in at least half of each magazine full hit me in the face with hot empties.

If your Glock had all the updated parts, as mine did, Glock would send your gun back unaltered. And the rabid Glock fan boys derided everyone who mentioned it on forums by saying they didn't know how to hold the gun, they used weak ammo, they limp wristed it or some other lame brained excuse.

Nope, it was the gun itself. After much time, frustration and a fair amount of money chasing every fix recommended on forums I finally heard of the Apex Glock extractor kit and installed one in each of my two G19s. Instant fix that remains fixed to this day several years later.

Glocks poor quality extractors was the problem on my guns and many others. Apex makes a lot of money fixing Glocks problem that Glock has never gotten around to acknowledging publically. At least Sig publically said there was a problem with the P365 and they are/have fixed it.

I have no dog in the Sig good/bad fight as I no longer own any Sigs and don't plan to buy the P365 or any other Sig.

But, it does seem Sig gets a lot of knocks for the same things that Glock gets a pass on. Sort of like the media treatment of the two major political parties. One gets smiles and back pats no matter how bad they are while the other gets fists and middle fingers no matter how good they are. I'm a 20 year Glock owner who currently owns five of them so I'm not a Glock hater in any way. I'm also not brand loyal so I can see the double standard that some people apply to Glock versus other brands.

As far as the Army's choice of the Sig P320 as a result of their handgun trial program my opinion is this. If they took as long as they did and spent as much tax payers money as they did and never found out on their own the now reported problems with the 320 then they have only their bureaucratic little selves to blame. A good example of incompetent government in action.

 

[ltj9296]

Smaller and lighter does not always make it better. Unless you want to use it for pocket carry, the 365 is too small, at least for me. I do admit I have never even held one, but still the Shield is just the right size for me. Small enough to carry and conceal easy, and big enough to shoot well.

 

[greeenteeee]

Smaller and lighter does not always make it better. Unless you want to use it for pocket carry, the 365 is too small, at least for me. I do admit I have never even held one, but still the Shield is just the right size for me. Small enough to carry and conceal easy, and big enough to shoot well.

I kind of relate to this post, as the Shield has worked very well for me.

Still, all the while I've fantasized about the smaller/lighter Glock 43 but the lacking capacity made it somewhat easy to resist.

Still, I carry either a Shield or a Glock 19, 2-3 ounces difference in dry weight so the capacity, weight and dimensions of the P365 are such an appeal to me.

My very last concern is being able to shoot the P365 well and not even a rental will confirm or deny that concern. I couldn't hit 6" steel at 10 yards when I was new to the Shield, now some range days I shoot better with it than my 19.

 

[bnolsen]

Wait for the p365 to show up as a range rental and give it time. Fire it yourself see how it compares to the shield 9mm. Then if you can trust the range guys, ask them about how well the p365 holds up, magazines and all. That would be a safe non impulsive way to feel the p365 out. Of course most of us being lame we'd just go buy it if that itch got too severe.

 

[ltj9296]

Smaller and lighter does not always make it better. Unless you want to use it for pocket carry, the 365 is too small, at least for me. I do admit I have never even held one, but still the Shield is just the right size for me. Small enough to carry and conceal easy, and big enough to shoot well.

After thinking about it a little more, I sounded a little too harsh on the Sig 365. I should not judge a pistol I have never even held. I don't think I would want a carry pistol any smaller than my Shield, but I may change my mind one day.

 

[akdude]

I also think the P365 is a little to small in grip for me, but with the 12 rd. mag its almost okay, but then my Shield is to small in grip for me with a 7 rd. mag and while the 8 rd. mag is better still feels a little to small in back of palm and i put a +2 mag ext. on my 7 rd. mag and it feels perfect!

 

[Cheapskait]

i put a +2 mag ext. on my 7 rd. mag and it feels perfect!

Which +2? Just from lookin' at pix on the internets, the Strike Industries one looks like it'd be comfortable and aesthetically pleasing.

 

[dben002]

After thinking about it a little more, I sounded a little too harsh on the Sig 365. I should not judge a pistol I have never even held. I don't think I would want a carry pistol any smaller than my Shield, but I may change my mind one day.

I think it may be a "great" (if no more problems arise) gun for people with small hands. For those of us with large hands I think it may be a problem....Saw Big Johnson of Guns and Gear try to hold one....as he stated he could probably blow his thumb off if he held it correctly.......

 

[BE Mike]

I think it may be a "great" (if no more problems arise) gun for people with small hands. For those of us with large hands I think it may be a problem....Saw Big Johnson of Guns and Gear try to hold one....as he stated he could probably blow his thumb off if he held it correctly.......

Yet Hickok45 had no trouble at all. Too much speculation here without any experience.

 

[akdude]

Which +2? Just from lookin' at pix on the internets, the Strike Industries one looks like it'd be comfortable and aesthetically pleasing.

The Strike EMP is the 1 which i used on the 7 rd. mag works and fits my hands perfectly, especially in rear of my Palm!

The extension also works on the 8 rd. mag but does not look good, since the 8 mag already has a extension.

To me the Shield grip with a 7 rd mag feels not very comfortable and with the 8 rd mag still leaves a lot to be desired, the Strike extension on the 7 rd. mag feels perfect in my hand and even rear of palm.

I rather have a gun a little larger which feels good to me even if it has 2 rds less than a smaller gun which holds more but is harder to shoot.

But we all have different hands and to each his own!


PS.
I have held (but not shot) the P365 with both a 10 & 12 rd. mag and most say use the 12 rd. mag.

 

[BigSky!]

From a subjective standpoint, nothing is an upgrade if it doesn't work for any particular individual. I too hope any bugs that supposedly exist do get worked out. That will happen. Lot's of times manufacturers make minor changes and call them upgrades. However, in the case of the P365, denying that it would be an upgrade to all other single stack pistols in this size category, is, in my opinion, simply turning a blind eye to the obvious. It weighs less, is shorter and thinner and even holds more rounds. Any objective analysis should deem that to clearly be an upgrade. I am a Shield lover and own 4. If it fits me as well and shoots as well for me, it is an upgrade to which I look forward. If it doesn't fit me, then it won't replace my Shields.