kwill1911
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Why do you say fake?
Let's see your Victory Models!
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Why do you say fake?
kwill1911
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helilogger
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victory
I picked this one up today. SN SV 775485, US Property GHD, small "s" on cover plate. All numbers match, including grips. Very solid lock up, can't wait to shoot it! Paid $400, too much??
Dave
I picked this one up today. SN SV 775485, US Property GHD, small "s" on cover plate. All numbers match, including grips. Very solid lock up, can't wait to shoot it! Paid $400, too much??
Dave
dondoucette
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Just purchased this Victory, all matching numbers, original wood grips, nice shiny well defined rifling. No idea of age, suspect 42 or 43 but waiting on confirmation.
Faulkner
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Here's mine, V639265. Has the flaming bomb on the right side just under "Made in the U.S.A."
ky625
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anyone know of any converted to .22 rim fire?
V 4552. Shipped August 10, 1942 to the United States Maritime Commission in Fresno, CA.
An Austrian Police Victory
V573116 in .38/200, April of 1944, barely fired if fired at all. This is marked with the Austrian Police stamp on the left side of the knuckle below the hammer. Some dings and scratches, but nothing that indicates service use. Those could be handling scars.
V573116 in .38/200, April of 1944, barely fired if fired at all. This is marked with the Austrian Police stamp on the left side of the knuckle below the hammer. Some dings and scratches, but nothing that indicates service use. Those could be handling scars.
Victory model 4" .38 special,
Pre-Victory S. African Contract 4" .38 S&W. This gun was in the first shipment that was re-routed back to England.
Victory model U.S. Navy 4" .38 special
Pre-Victory model 6" .38 S&W
Victory model, Australian 5" .38 S&W
Pre-Victory model S. African contract that did make it to S. Africa 4" .38 S&W
Pre-Victory S. African Contract 4" .38 S&W. This gun was in the first shipment that was re-routed back to England.
Victory model U.S. Navy 4" .38 special
Pre-Victory model 6" .38 S&W
Victory model, Australian 5" .38 S&W
Pre-Victory model S. African contract that did make it to S. Africa 4" .38 S&W
PuertoRican
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The world's ugliest Victory
V524756. Crown & BNP on each flute. "P" above recoil shield. Crown & BNP on barrel. Barrel marked ".38 S&W". Under barrel marked ".38 SPECIAL 1"?"150""4 TONS PER"? & some more gibberish. Sight marked "Parker Hale" "England". Frame, cylinder & extractor have matching numbers. Lacking a .38 S&W cartridge, how can I check if this ugly sumbitch is a .38 Special?
V524756. Crown & BNP on each flute. "P" above recoil shield. Crown & BNP on barrel. Barrel marked ".38 S&W". Under barrel marked ".38 SPECIAL 1"?"150""4 TONS PER"? & some more gibberish. Sight marked "Parker Hale" "England". Frame, cylinder & extractor have matching numbers. Lacking a .38 S&W cartridge, how can I check if this ugly sumbitch is a .38 Special?
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If a .38 special cartridge will fully seat in each chamber your guns cylinder has been altered to accept .38 special. If it is still in .38 S&W, a .38 special cartridge will stick out about a 1/3".
That's not ugly! It's just a little over-processed.
If the barrel was originally marked .38 S&W and was later stamped for .38 Special, it will chamber .38 Special. The question is whether it chambers ONLY .38 Special. Since it is a Parker-Hale conversion, one of the better ones, the chamber holes might have been overbored and sleeved so that they will now except only .38 Special rounds. You should be able to discern a sleeve end if you look closely at the front of each chamber of the cylinder. The "1.150" mark is the length of the .38 Special cartridge, another indicator that the gun was modified to take that round.
If you can't discern a sleeve, look into the chambers from the rear. A cylinder whose chambers were simply lengthened will show two case-length rings in each chamber -- one about 3/4" inch from the rear of the cylinder (.38 S&W) and the other about 1 1/8" from the rear of the cylinder (.38 Special).
If the chambers show two rings, I would shoot only .38 S&W in it. If it shows only one ring over an inch down the chamber, that suggests that the chambers were sleeved whether you can see the end of the sleeve or not. It will chamber and shoot .38 Special, but should NOT chamber .38 S&W.
If it is a two-ring gun, it will chamber and shoot both rounds, but .38 Special cases will slightly swell and (if the brass is hard) possibly split along the two-thirds of each case just above the base.
There is probably a little square after the "4 TONS PER" stamp. That stands for "square inch." Other markings are probably British proof stamps, which were required when military weapons were tested and released for civilian consumption.
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PuertoRican
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Luv your classification "a little over-processed".That's not ugly! It's just a little over-processed.
If the barrel was originally marked .38 S&W and was later stamped for .38 Special, it will chamber .38 Special. The question is whether it chambers ONLY .38 Special. Since it is a Parker-Hale conversion, one of the better ones, the chamber holes might have been overbored and sleeved so that they will now except only .38 Special rounds. You should be able to discern a sleeve end if you look closely at the front of each chamber of the cylinder. The "1.150" mark is the length of the .38 Special cartridge, another indicator that the gun was modified to take that round.
If you can't discern a sleeve, look into the chambers from the rear. A cylinder whose chambers were simply lengthened will show two case-length rings in each chamber -- one about 3/4" inch from the rear of the cylinder (.38 S&W) and the other about 1 1/8" from the rear of the cylinder (.38 Special).
If the chambers show two rings, I would shoot only .38 S&W in it. If it shows only one ring over an inch down the chamber, that suggests that the chambers were sleeved whether you can see the end of the sleeve or not. It will chamber and shoot .38 Special, but should NOT chamber .38 S&W.
If it is a two-ring gun, it will chamber and shoot both rounds, but .38 Special cases will slightly swell and (if the brass is hard) possibly split along the two-thirds of each case just above the base.
There is probably a little square after the "4 TONS PER" stamp. That stands for "square inch." Other markings are probably British proof stamps, which were required when military weapons were tested and released for civilian consumption.
Can just about make out the sleeves. One ring only. There is a little square after the 4 tons. David, thanx again for sharing your knoweldge. FYI. I stuck a .38 special in the cylinders to see how much play there was & they fit more snug than in my Model 38.
Then I would consider it safe to shoot. Go to the range and see how the gun performs!
As a British Service Revolver, it almost certainly started life with a five-inch barrel. P-H would have cut it to four and installed one of their own sights on the barrel. And the "1.150" designates the length of the .38 Special cartridge case.
As a British Service Revolver, it almost certainly started life with a five-inch barrel. P-H would have cut it to four and installed one of their own sights on the barrel. And the "1.150" designates the length of the .38 Special cartridge case.
PuertoRican
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We'll be shootin soon as rain stops & temp rises few degrees.
Any thoughts on them funky lookin stocks? They're actually in pretty good shape & handle good.
1942 Navy-Seattle Police-Civil Defense
One of my all time favs -This pistol was shipped on May 15, 1942 as part of a Navy contract to U.S. Navy Depot, Norfolk, VA. (see S&W research letter below). Its a neat old revolver that had three lives the U.S. Navy, civil defense and the Seattle Police Department. All serial numbers match, including grips.
Regards,
Ty
One of my all time favs -This pistol was shipped on May 15, 1942 as part of a Navy contract to U.S. Navy Depot, Norfolk, VA. (see S&W research letter below). Its a neat old revolver that had three lives the U.S. Navy, civil defense and the Seattle Police Department. All serial numbers match, including grips.
Regards,
Ty
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lawandorder
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Countless Victory models found their way home from service
in the war and took on a new role in the holsters of Law Enforcement personnel all over the country.
Here is a vet that did service with the Arkansas State Prison system.
Up until the 1970s Arkansas used the Trusty system where inmates served as guards.
Interesting side note the prison system also purchased and used both Second & Third model Hand Ejector .44 Specials.
Here is a link to the ADC's history page with an internal link to their photo pages.
http://adc.arkansas.gov/about/Pages/prisonHistory.aspx
in the war and took on a new role in the holsters of Law Enforcement personnel all over the country.
Here is a vet that did service with the Arkansas State Prison system.
Up until the 1970s Arkansas used the Trusty system where inmates served as guards.
Interesting side note the prison system also purchased and used both Second & Third model Hand Ejector .44 Specials.
Here is a link to the ADC's history page with an internal link to their photo pages.
http://adc.arkansas.gov/about/Pages/prisonHistory.aspx
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charlie sherrill
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I've got three. A U.S. Govt. GHD marked .38 spec, a U.S. Navy marked .38 spec., and a New Zealand .38 S&W cal. As my personal friend Law and Order previously, lots of the old Victories found new homes after the war with some police departments. As a brand new 21 year old rookie just signing on with the Hattiesburg Police Department (Ms.) in 1969 I was too broke to buy a revolver. The chief told me "no problem" and walked me over to the safe. He pulled out a box that must have had 30 Victories in it and told me to pick one out. I got one that appeared to be in better condition than the others. It was marked U.S. Navy. I didn't know anything about the Victory revolver except I thought it was ugly and I didn't like that lanyard ring hanging there waiting to get caught on something. I wore it for a couple of paychecks until I could go finance a brand new shiny model 10 with a local finance company and gave the Victory back to the chief. The 10 costs $85 new but I probably paid twice that after paying the finance company. I still get letters from them wanting to lend money. The chief was in his sixties and when he retired a few years later the box of Victories and lots of other cool stuff retired with him.
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