Lever action assault rifles

I can see how a lever scout gun could use a box magazine, like the Browning 1895, to accommodate pointy bullets which are dangerous in a tube magazine. That's unnecessary for pistol bullets and traditional round-nosed hunting rounds. The beauty of lever guns, in my opinion, is their slim profile, light weight, and classical operation. I find them addicting.

A perforated, Picatinny forearm is ugly and irrelevant.
 
Last night I read a "report" on MSN concerning the apprehension of a malefactor. He was armed with a break open single shot firearm that appeared to have a picatinny rail on top with a scope/red dot mounted. This was reported to be an "an assault rifle" and 60 rounds of ammo.
Per media, any long gun that is used in the commission of a crime is automatically an "assault rifle". They are no longer concerned with any sort of accuracy in reporting.
 
One: strike the phrase "assault rifle" from your vocabulary. The only time it is an accurate reference is if it meets the mid-60s Army definition and one needs to cite to that if using the term appropriately. 2) Quit using the term "tacticool" You are denigrating a collection of hard use folks, many of whom were trained in LE or service during GWOT about using a rifle to fight, which along with hunting is the primary purpose of a firearm. I admit the 45-70 critter shown serves no purpose for me, but I am purposefully setting up my Marlin .357 somewhat like that as I NEED the RDS and ability to mount a good 1000 lumen light. It is not a coincidence that most of my training was with an AR platform and that function drives the training and equipment. The blue steel/wood cosmetic fetish has roughly the social utility of an "adult" website.

Remember the debacle with Jim Zumbo? His denigration of AR platforms was so far into ignorant it displayed a need for a guardian. As far as I know, it ruined his career, and deservedly so. The hard use fora to which I belonged blew up with outrage, and understandably so. It lead to use of the word "Fudd" for his type of moronic thinking. Words matter. It's like the silliness of referring to blatant discrimination as "racial profiling", which is simply horrible use of the English language,

Blatant differentiations between us are dumb, and only give ammo to the terrorists who want to disarm us. Please educate yourself. Watch Ermey's intro to Full Metal Jacket and apply his warning to Private Joker to your own conduct.
 
....Correct me if I'm wrong - but ALL true ASSAULT RIFLES ARE SEMI-AUTO at least - with HI-CAP MAGS.
I don't believe dressing up a Lever Action with modern accessories makes it anything but a LEVER ACTION RIFLE.
I liked my SAR-1 so well, I recently bought a 7.62X54R Romanian PSL Marksman Rifle. really no comparison with Lever Actions. SO SATISFIED - I Suggest, & Recommend Lever Action Fans try out a more efficient route.

From the media perspective, sure.

From a military, definitional perspective, no. An assault rifle is by design capable of fully automatic fire. Most can also be fired semi-auto, but will still have a selector switch (or be able to have a selector switch installed) to allow full auto fire.

Tactically speaking that larger volume of full auto fire was used for suppression of the defense in an assault (as well as for final protective fire in defense). But, regardless of why the Germans named it what they did and how it is translated, militarily speaking its the ability to fire full auto in the assault that results in the name and the definition.
 
...2) Quit using the term "tacticool" You are denigrating a collection of hard use folks, many of whom were trained in LE or service during GWOT about using a rifle to fight, which along with hunting is the primary purpose of a firearm. I admit the 45-70 critter shown serves no purpose for me, but I am purposefully setting up my Marlin .357 somewhat like that as I NEED the RDS and ability to mount a good 1000 lumen light. It is not a coincidence that most of my training was with an AR platform and that function drives the training and equipment. The blue steel/wood cosmetic fetish has roughly the social utility of an "adult" website.
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We'll have to disagree with how "tacticool" is used.

We agree that a modular system is designed so that you can equip a rifle or carbine specifically for the mission at hand. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

"Tacticool" as opposed to "tactical" refers to the guy who buys an AR-15 or similar rail equipped rifle or carbine and then proceeds to tart it up with all kinds of accessories, and keeps them all on the rifle all of the time, regardless of the actual, intended or projected use.

This is extreme, but it takes far less than this to qualify as tacticool.

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In fact, I'll take the position that the tacticool guys are the ones denigrating the working folks who actually understand the modular concept.

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Now, I can agree there might be situations where you need both a red dot sight and a light on a lever action.

A RDS alone can be managed easily with minimum impact on the weight and handling of the rifle with something like the Turnbull rear sight mount.

Also adding a light might imply a need for a quad rail type solution, and yet Skinner, Hill People, and others make a short pic rail that mounts on the magazine tube that will allow mounting a light.

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Solutions like that have the advantage of good PR in not making a traditional cowboy style lever action look like a military weapon, and they have minimal impact on the weight, balance and snag resistance of the rifle. It's a win-win. It just doesn't look "tacticool". ;)

The argument often is "but I live in a jurisdiction where assault rifles are banned!!". That always prompts me to ask why they got banned there in the first place and how they think it will go down when lever guns start looking just like the semi auto assault rifles that got banned. It won't end well, so its really short sighted to poke that bear.
 
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Hey, I’m sure someone is trying to sell “tactical” Kleenex and toilet paper. They’ll try and use a buzz word on anything.
 
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