Life in Prison or Execution?

[Gamecock]

Tell me how to speed up the process and make it cost less without infringing on due process.

"Appeal is then handed off to the appellate lawyers. It usually takes about a year and a half for the appellate lawyers to comb the record for issues to raise on appeal. They will raise every conceiveable issue because it it isn't raised it's waived. There have been instances where an issue was not raised and then 10 years down the line a US Supreme Court decision rules favorable on that identical issue. If you had raised that issue your client could rely on the new law and perhaps avoid a death sentence. But at the time you took the original appeal it was settled law so you didn't raise the issue. Now that it has been decided in your client's favor he can't use it."

This is your "due process." Throw everything against the wall. It is a perversion of the due process we wish to protect.

 

[CH4]

If you're convicted of murder 1, you're toast! I understand the need for an appeals process, but put a 5-7 year limit on it and then smoke 'em! My tax dollars could be put to better use, like giving it back to me and all the other hard working folks! I know it's just a dream, but it's my dream!

 

[CAJUNLAWYER]

Not familiar with the law in Louisiana. If he gets life without parole, what's the soonest he can get out?

When he dies. Unless the governor commutes the sentence-which hasn't happened since Edwin Edwards was selling pardons.

 

[ClayCow]

"Appeal is then handed off to the appellate lawyers. It usually takes about a year and a half for the appellate lawyers to comb the record for issues to raise on appeal. They will raise every conceiveable issue because it it isn't raised it's waived. There have been instances where an issue was not raised and then 10 years down the line a US Supreme Court decision rules favorable on that identical issue. If you had raised that issue your client could rely on the new law and perhaps avoid a death sentence. But at the time you took the original appeal it was settled law so you didn't raise the issue. Now that it has been decided in your client's favor he can't use it."

This is your "due process." Throw everything against the wall. It is a perversion of the due process we wish to protect.

If you were truly innocent but convicted and looked guilty, i am fairly certain you would want this to happen to your case. Again its due process so that everyone gets a fair trial.

 

[Gamecock]

If you were truly innocent but convicted and looked guilty, i am fairly certain you would want this to happen to your case. Again its due process so that everyone gets a fair trial.

No. The system has morphed beyond "fair trial."

 

[ClayCow]

No. The system has morphed beyond "fair trial."

Ah well then i guess thats where we disagree. Personally id want all these measures were i falsely convicted, which happens.

 

[Gamecock]

Ah well then i guess thats where we disagree. Personally id want all these measures were i falsely convicted, which happens.

Not me. As an analytical, I would be appalled being caught up in happy horse****. I would want a rational process.

 

[Gamecock]

If you were truly innocent but convicted and looked guilty, i am fairly certain you would want this to happen to your case. Again its due process so that everyone gets a fair trial.

We must accept all sorts of silliness, because it is called "due process."

 

[ClayCow]

Youre just throwing out terms and words that mean nothing.

 

[Cooter Brown]

Caj, I wanted to get in here in case the thread gets locked to say that your contributions to this thing have been remarkable.

I didn't vote, because like most everyone else my vote would be colored by my emotions.

I like to think of myself as a cold-eyed empiricist, but life can make being one awfully difficult sometimes.

When I apply logic and reason to the thing, as well as my changing attitudes about life itself, I've gotta come down on the same side as you. Let 'em rot, forgotten, not pitied, not loved.

Of course there are always people like Manson and that Mumia creep who get attention and praise they don't deserve. What to do about that I don't know. There's not a lot you can do to change the actions of the foolish people who support the likes of them except to let their own actions reveal them as the fools they are.

 

[jimmyj]

I AM FOR THE DEATH PENALTY !
When "They" are dead, it is for sure "They" will never be a risk again.
Why reward these animals with life time room and board ??

 

[federali]

The Finality of the Death Penalty

I have always been a doubt-free advocate of the death penalty but now I'm not so sure. In the past few years alone, men who have served up to 39 years in prison have been cleared of the crime through DNA evidence, not available or testable at the time the crime was committed.

I think the Innocence Project is probably right when they say that approximately 8% of the prison population is innocent of the crime they were convicted of, that they may still belong behind bars on general principle, notwithstanding.

Once a person is put to death, you can't bring him back. Those of you with access to Amazon Prime should watch "the Poisoner's Notebook," about the introduction of forensic science to law enforcement. The inescapable conclusion is that many people got away with murder while many more were incarcerated for life or executed for crimes they did not commit.

 

[ClayCow]

I AM FOR THE DEATH PENALTY !
When "They" are dead, it is for sure "They" will never be a risk again.
Why reward these animals with life time room and board ??

Jimmy. I think you have to consider that there are worse things than death.

 

[Marshwheeling]

Jimmy. I think you have to consider that there are worse things than death.

Death by ooga-booga.

 

[Voyager28]

Even if he gets the death penalty he will never be executed, since the drugs are listed and the global pharma companies no longer make the drugs necessary to carry it out. So, word is that eventually they will bring the electric chair back but do not think that will happen.

Drugs schmug! The only drug needed is 158 grains of lead delivered center mass from a handy little S&W applicator.

Yes, for a heinous crime such as this, done to a child, execution is both just and deserved.

Bob

 

[Comrad]

Anyone who has ever served jury duty knows why appeals drag on for decades. At least in my little slice of heaven, NJ, nothing happens Monday or Friday, that leaves Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday, court begins around 10, lunch no later than 12, good lord willing and the creek don't rise a couple hours after lunch then we're out of there by 3 or 3:30. All the while the system cries about being over worked.
It's OUR fault, we created this and allow it to continue.
Oh yeah, then there are the endless postponements just to top off the most unproductive process I have ever seen. If any of these people worked for me they would be fired before the morning break.

 

[CAJUNLAWYER]

Caj, I wanted to get in here in case the thread gets locked to say that your contributions to this thing have been remarkable.

I didn't vote, because like most everyone else my vote would be colored by my emotions.

I like to think of myself as a cold-eyed empiricist, but life can make being one awfully difficult sometimes.

When I apply logic and reason to the thing, as well as my changing attitudes about life itself, I've gotta come down on the same side as you. Let 'em rot, forgotten, not pitied, not loved.

Of course there are always people like Manson and that Mumia creep who get attention and praise they don't deserve. What to do about that I don't know. There's not a lot you can do to change the actions of the foolish people who support the likes of them except to let their own actions reveal them as the fools they are.

Thank you for the kind words Cooter.
We all have firmly held beliefs which nobody but ourselves can change. When we die God will let us know who was right and who was wrong and then we hopefully can pick up our dogs at the bridge and get on with enjoying eternity. Until then, I'm a gona keep tyying to do the very best I can and not worry 'bout nobody else but my sorry arse!

 

[BaaBaa]

In my experience while people want the death penalty, very few have the stomach to actually DO IT.

If you are prepared to kill to save your life what is different from the death penalty?

I have been in a situation where I was prepared to shoot to kill someone, I am not sure that I would have as much problem with killing someone for heinous crimes as some of the posters imply. As others have said, it may not fix the problem but it darned sure prevents a repeat problem.

I'd rather kill an innocent person and pay the price morally than let a guilty one go free.

 

[Rastoff]

If you are prepared to kill to save your life what is different from the death penalty?

It's not an unreasonable question. The answer is simple, immediacy. I would only ever use my gun to stop an immediate threat to me or my family. My goal is not to kill, but to stop the threat. If the attacker dies, so be it. However, that is not my goal.

 

[williamlayton]

" I have read no other comments other than the original question !"

It is not a matter of feelings--Feelings have no answers.

A dog raised to kill is a dog raised to kill---it may be a sad fact, but, he is raised to kill---he has no use to humanity for any other reason.
Blessings