M-10 blows up using "older" reloads

[moosedog]

Reloads. Bad reloads.

 

[stantheman86]

"Sounds to me like maybe someone who works for Colt is bucking for a promotion at the factory and/while trying to promote their new revo's . " What new DA revolvers has Colt put out lately hahahaha

It's another idiot with handloads, more evidence mentally challenged people shouldn't make their own ammo.......another "tried to get .454 Casull energy from my Model 10 and it blew up......S&W's must be weak" kind of softheaded nonsense put out by some Bubba with 12 toes and 3 brain cells......

Some idiot at a range I used to go to nearly blew his face off, trying to make 9mm +P+++++ and ended up wearing some pieces of a Beretta 92f inside his body......luckily for him he wasn't hurt bad, but being the brain surgeon he was, he wasn't wearing eye pro either....he was there alone and it was a "key card" members only club with no range master.....left a trail of blood leading out the door, and drove himself to the hospital. My very good friend was a volunteer and worked a lot of pistol matches at that range, and the guy that blew the Beretta up tried to blame the "weak Beretta 92f" and bad factory ammo, but my freind found out that the idiot made his own 9mm Magnum but was too ashamed when his "experiment" literally blew up in his face......

The moral of the story, handloading ammo is NO time to "experiment" , it's not like you can stuff some powder and a bullet in a case, go shoot it and see what happens.......

 

[ARMinSC]

How much for the Diamond Magna Stocks?

(Sorry I couldn't resist)

I thought about it too!

 

[tx_oil]

After seeing the Youtube video, I posted this comment

I'm glad that no one was injured or maimed. Looks like the rounds still in the chamber are reloads. THAT, sir, is the problem, Don't blame S&W if the gun was asked to exceed it's design parameters. The age of the gun is a factor as well. If you want to shoot bubba handloads the risk is yours to take.

and THIS is what the poster of the video and alleged owner of said revolver replied

@txoilfield I agree that bubba should have been taken to the gun range that day. My first handgun was Colt and was very pleased with it. Like S&W as well, but if you were to place this 1960 S&W next to a Colt. That Colt is almost double in thickness. Tossed the reloads out and purchased New model S&W Highway Patrolman.
I was contacted by a person whom had a serious accident, that video is unbeliveable, ALL 6 ROUNDS EXPLODED! NOT MY GUN,NOT MY AMMO. Thats all I can say at this time! Thanks

Help me out here...is this guy saying that the gun which exploded was NOT HIS, and that it was NOT his ammo??
Someone is doing some serious crawfishing here.

 

[David LaPell]

All I can say is....can I have the grips??

 

[Skunkhome]

I disagree about the age of the firearm being an issue. If the revolver is in good condition and still tight there is no reason it should not be able to handle any commercially manufactured .38 special loads or ammo cooked up using published data specified for .38 special.* That was a super hot load sufficient enough to take the top strap off the gun. If I am not mistaken it is not lawful to manufacture ammo and distribute to your buddies without a Manufacturers license. Kinda like making wine. You can make up 50 gal per year to serve in your household but you can't give it away.

* I do have some old arms that I use sparingly not in fear of catastrophic failure but that I might break an extractor, paw or some small part that couldn't be replaced.

 

[Skunkhome]

That makes me nervous. I just acquired a 10-6 and I am kinda nervous to shoot it. I never use reloads only factory ammo. What are the chances of something happening like this.

I guess I need to rephrase this. What condition is your revolver in? Is the lock-up tight? Does the cylinder crane fit squarely in the frame? Is the bore and chambers in good condition and without obstructions? If you can answer yes to those then the following applies.

If you are loading your own using published data for .38 special and use the proper precautions as spelled out in the reloading manual you should never even have a flattened primer much less anything like this. You should be other wise not distracted by other activities such as Monday Night Football especially when loading with fast powders that could be easily double or triple loaded.

With factory ammo designed for your gun you should have no issues.

 

[Vulcan Bob]

I must be doing something wrong, I havent yet blown one up! This my friends is why I prefer to have the range to myself.

 

[racuda]

I asked where the reloads came from. This is what he said: "The reloads came from a friend and so on! There were other factors involved here. This 1960's Police issue was intro. in NY City and light ammo was used because it would not travel long distances.

Great for close range. The ammo was lighter back when. Todays ammo is hotter and these old guns can only expand and contract so many times. The metal becomes fatigued and their you have it. BE SAFE,IT'S ALL GOOD!"

 

[stantheman86]

That's complete BS, if that's the case than 99% of us own ticking time bombs........"the metal can only contract and expand so many times", this is proof that some people shouldn't even speak.......

And .38 Special was actually hotter "back in the day", not lighter........it is downloaded by ammo makers for liability reasons, so that someone doesn't stick a "hot".38 Special in something like a Colt 1901 New Army or early pre-heat treat 1900's era M&P in poor condition and blow it up......

I had some 80's era Sellier & Bellot .38 Special 158 gr. FMJ and it was pretty spicy, more like high +P type power, and it was loaded to European specs, not US. It was probably made for Euro police force sales,possibly the French who carried 3" M10's, who wanted it loaded like it should be, and not like lawsuit happy Americans need it to be loaded so someone doesn't hurt themselves and then call a lawyer.

 

[Skunkhome]

I purchased this 10-5 used for my Dad in the late '70's. It was a Canadian refugee and was a number of years old when I purchased it. At the time it was tighter and smoother than anything coming out of Smith much less Colt. I certainly would not hesitate to put anything I reload or ammo commercially available in the US through this revolver. To say it is unsafe just because it is 40-50 years old is just nonsense.

 

[David LaPell]

I asked where the reloads came from. This is what he said: "The reloads came from a friend and so on! There were other factors involved here. This 1960's Police issue was intro. in NY City and light ammo was used because it would not travel long distances.

Great for close range. The ammo was lighter back when. Todays ammo is hotter and these old guns can only expand and contract so many times. The metal becomes fatigued and their you have it. BE SAFE,IT'S ALL GOOD!"

Uh huh. Metal fatigue? That image of his gun with the missing top strap doing its best impression of looking like a cap-n-ball Colt revolver looks more like someone reloaded some bad stuff. It's a shame that someone dynamited a perfectly good Smith by using Lord knows what for reloads. One of the reasons why whenever I am given old reloads I pull them. Here is a picture of my fatigued late 1940's M & P, still cranking out my reloads with little worries.

 

[bmcgilvray]

I had a great time shooting this circa 1904 Military & Police last week on several different days along with some other .38 Specials when we had really fine weather for shooting range work. It was just plumb tuckered out afterward.

 

[Doug.38PR]

Since you are obviously following this thread you started, will you pleases respond to the obvious misrepresentration of Remington ammunition and secondly did you use your new reloader to blow up your gun? We are shooters and collectors and everything positive about the shooting sports and business. We would understand if you made a mistake and many people on this forum would offer any advise and encouragement possible. BUT, if you, as is obvious, messed up, the worst thing for your own credibility is to blame some one else, like a manufactorer that did Not produce those loads or smith and wesson. If you fail to change your ways and realize that YOU need the help, some one innocent may become a victim of such childish decisions. How about it Doug? Man up?

I've already said: That is not me in the video nor is it my gun that was blown up.

Let me be clear: I HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THESE VIDEOS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I FOUND THOSE THREE VIDEOS ON YOUTUBE LAST NIGHT AND DECIDED TO POST THEM HERE AND ON THE COLT FORUM FOR DISCUSSION INTEREST! THOSE......ARE.....NOT....MY.....VIDEOS.

The second thing taught to me about shooting guns when I bought my own handgun and started buying my own ammunition is: ALWAYS KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SHOOTING.

I agree if nothing else the man in this video made a careless decision and still either doesn't know what he's talking about or won't admit it

 

[Doug.38PR]

a gun range/store in Pasadena, Texas has (or used to have) a S&W Chief's Special blown apart on display with a box of Blazer ammunition and a sign that said "NO BLAZER AMMUNITON" They didn't allow blazer ammunition because they claimed Blazer's were unsafe and blew guns up............riiiiiiiiight

 

[MTS Cop]

Did anyone read the guy's comments on YouTube? He states the gun is a Model 10 or 15. He doesn't even know what it is. He needs to do us all a favor and take up underwater basket weaving or needle point or something that has nothing to do with guns. His complete lack of knowledge is going to deplete the supply of old revolvers, even the off brands, for the knowledgable and deserving.

 

[Malysh]

a gun range/store in Pasadena, Texas has (or used to have) a S&W Chief's Special blown apart on display with a box of Blazer ammunition and a sign that said "NO BLAZER AMMUNITON" They didn't allow blazer ammunition because they claimed Blazer's were unsafe and blew guns up............riiiiiiiiight

I also belong to the Coltforum.
Doug.38PR posted the links to this fiasco on the Coltforum, too. I think before he posted it here.
The people on the Coltforum had the same reaction as we did here at S&Wforum. It was mentioned that those reloads would have blown up a Police Positive or an Offical Police. And they also noticed the reloaded ammo. And that the original poster was a jerk.

AGAIN - IT'S NOT HIS VIDEO!

 

[turbo38gn]

I also belong to the Coltforum.
Doug.38PR posted the links to this fiasco on the Coltforum, too. I think before he posted it here.
The people on the Coltforum had the same reaction as we did here at S&Wforum. It was mentioned that those reloads would have blown up a Police Positive or an Offical Police. And they also noticed the reloaded ammo. And that the original poster was a jerk.

AGAIN - IT'S NOT HIS VIDEO!

My personal opinion is something like this thread should never even have been posted here. The OP posted it like it was a true and accurate info he was passing along. As such, it is very unfair to the companies that were being portrayed as having inferior products. I own a business and posting this kind of stuff would seem to be a libelous act.. more people like this should be held accountable for their frivilous actions. And I'm speaking of the OP and whoever posted the original videos.. We've already seen at least one person question whether their gun is junk..

 

[Skunkhome]

I agree if nothing else the man in this video made a careless decision and still either doesn't know what he's talking about or won't admit it

I wrote to the guy and told him that he had issue with the ammo manufacturer. ( not knowing at the time that they reloads ). He wrote me back and basically blew me off. I still stand by my statement regardless.

 

[sw282]

l agree with turbo. The whole thread needs to be poofed.l do think it needs to be brought to the attention of Remington and Smith. 2 fine companies. American companies trying to make a living while serving this country with 'American' workers making quality products. RP-S&W have enough worries without being slurred with untruths and lies on the net.
All too often an event happens and the first people do is blame the 'maker'.

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