M&P Pistols to Fall Off CA DOJ Approved List

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It's getting so bad here... we need support in pushing back... yet again. There is legal action, the second amendment foundation is here and Calguns are always pushing back.

This is the kind of **** we are dealing with:

CA Sen. Kevin DeLeon on Those Spooky 'Ghost Guns' | The Truth About Guns



I watched the entire 20 minute press conference earlier today, and it gets even better, he shows an automatic sniper weapon and claims that the lower receiver is the engine to the AR-15. This guy is so ignorant, and uneducated in firearms, and these are the types of individuals that are passing legislation in states like CA, and are pushing federal legislation. This guy knows nothing about the AR-15. A side note, in the full video, he pulls up the "automatic sniper weapon" and the bipod is mounted backwards. It's funny to see the LE officers behind him roll their eyes as he speaks his nonsense.
 
They need to drop sales to LE agencies there as well. If the firearms industry as a whole could do that, then maybe they would listen. CA is such a disease in this country.

Hmmm, denying gun ownership to those who should have them....where have we heard that before?
 
I watched the entire 20 minute press conference earlier today, and it gets even better, he shows an automatic sniper weapon and claims that the lower receiver is the engine to the AR-15. This guy is so ignorant, and uneducated in firearms, and these are the types of individuals that are passing legislation in states like CA, and are pushing federal legislation. This guy knows nothing about the AR-15. A side note, in the full video, he pulls up the "automatic sniper weapon" and the bipod is mounted backwards. It's funny to see the LE officers behind him roll their eyes as he speaks his nonsense.

So when will someone get the guts to put these guys in their place? Could it be the LE officers are Sheeple as well?????

Urban Dictionary: sheeple
 
Hmmm, denying gun ownership to those who should have them....where have we heard that before?

I'm not sure what you mean. Are you saying LE should still be able to purchase whatever they want in CA while citizens continue to be disarmed?
 
This is all due to Kalifornia's ridiculous firing pin imprint law. ALL of the gun manufacturer's are refusing to put these special firing pins in new pistols, and instead are just selling to the rest of the free (and semi-free) states. The window for purchasing handguns in this Kommunist state is slowly closing.
 
It is sad. Believe me, the politicians could care less about the crime rate.

If I was younger, I would leave this state. I hope to someday when I retire.

I was going to buy a MP 9C after tax returns get done, guess not! Happy I have my MP 45 and MP 9 though.

Best

Bob
 
The Shield and SDVE guns were probably Listed recently enough that they are allowed for a while without the hypothetical microstamping requirement of newly listed or relisted guns.

Why don't the cops need microstamping?
 
Law enforcement is not bound by same rule us civilians are. They are allowed to buy handguns not approved for sale to the rest of the population for duty or personnel use. I guess in the eyes of the legislators there special!
 
The sad thing about the micro stamping requirement or any other such ridiculousness is the ultimate goal of the law.

The ultimate goal isn't to make it easier to track gun usage in a crime, but rather to make it overly complicated or expensive to manufacture and sell a firearm. This will cause manufacturers to give up and now you have the desired effect of the gun banners... A gun ban.

Trigger pull weight, magazine limitations, magazine safeties, guns not on the approved list, etc, etc... These are all attempts to make it harder for the law abiding to purchase and own a gun.

It is time to vote these people out of office and take back your rights. Unfortunately, I think it is too late for some locals.

Edmo
 
Law enforcement is not bound by same rule us civilians are. They are allowed to buy handguns not approved for sale to the rest of the population for duty or personnel use. I guess in the eyes of the legislators there special!

Problem is LEOs are citizens as well. They're not special and most I've seen at the range look like amateurs considering their groups when they reel the targets back in.
 
I'm glad they are taking this stand on the micro stamping, but I think the actual effect of their action to let their pistols expire is not going to be a significant impact to the non-LEO gun buyers. If you look at the current roster, you'll see something on the order of about 300 models listed, which sounds good. However most of those are revolvers. Of the semiautos, the largest group look like 22's. Of the non 22's, it looks like the next largest percentages are 3rd gen and SW99 models. I don't believe any of the E Series 1911 were ever certified in CA, so most of the SW1911s on the list also aren't catalogued or readily available any more. By the time you take away all the models that are essentially not available any more as new stock and aren't the couple of Shield models made for CA, there are about 8 M&P models that are on the list that will not be renewed. The roster has already been effectively a ban that has built up over time and its limit to accessing S&Ws happened a long time ago.
 
The gun manufacturers need to stop selling to LEO Agencies as well. Don't just hurt the civilians out there! If all the manufacturers refused to sell to agencies in these states then it would stop these idiotic laws in their tracks!
 
The gun manufacturers need to stop selling to LEO Agencies as well. Don't just hurt the civilians out there! If all the manufacturers refused to sell to agencies in these states then it would stop these idiotic laws in their tracks!

I concur. If the LE community is affected maybe they'll voice their concerns to the legislature.
 
Yea, but the Shield and SDVE is still going to be sold there. Does that mean they're going to micro stamp those and not the other M&Ps?

If I had to guess, I'd suspect it's because the Shield and SDVE lines have already been certified and approved to be on the state roster in their current form. If so, they won't be considered "new" models when their certifications expire, and could then be renewed (before expiration) without having to incorporate microstamping technology.

In other words, they won't be needing/receiving the further "performance enhancements" slated for the older M&P models as they reach their expiration dates on the current roster.

If the safety testing rules mean that adding such performance enhancements to the rest of the M&P line makes them "new models", then it wouldn't be surprising that they're going to end up falling under the microstamping requirement for new pistols.

For those of you who weren't keeping up with this law that's been on the books for a few years, here's some info from last year. This is a link to the documents contained in the state DOJ Certification of Microstamping Technology Notice from May last year.
http://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/agweb/pdfs/firearms/infobuls/2013-BOF-03.pdf

Note the language ... "Semiautomatic pistols already listed on the Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale in California will remain on the roster and need not incorporate the microstamping technology ..." and "... a semiautomatic pistol not already listed ..."

Even some news articles I've browsed to recheck include blurbs (toward the end) that this new law won't affect existing pistols on the state roster.

This all may still change as recent legal challenges work their way through the courts (being supported by S&W, among others, it seems), but it still looks like it affects new model pistols being added to the roster, and, it seems, existing models that may have received modifications making them different from when they originally received their certification to be accepted on the list ... and which are going to have their existing certifications expire in the near future (from the end of this month to Aug, if I recall the roster dates last time I looked at them).

Not much choice but to wait and see what happens with the legal challenges.
 
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It is sad. Believe me, the politicians could care less about the crime rate.

If I was younger, I would leave this state. I hope to someday when I retire.

I was going to buy a MP 9C after tax returns get done, guess not! Happy I have my MP 45 and MP 9 though.

Best

Bob


I was thinking the same thing. Didn't really want a 40c just yet but I had to pull the trigger early cause after next week I won't be able to get it.... I guess I can still do the 9c conversion..


Regards,

Kenny
 
Stay Informed!!

Just want to say that although this is only happening now in California. The rest of the nation is watching and see how this develops. We could be in some serious legal fights if more states try to adopt these laws. I can see New York and Massachusetts trying to pass these laws next. Then who knows? Don't let your guard down, keep aware and informed if one of your local politicians tries introduce this law in your state.
 
ARNOLD BABY should have had his firing pin microstamped, so all his illegitimate kids could be identified.
The Hollyweird anti-gun people make me sick, they make their whole career off of killing and special effects because none of them can really act and then they come out all peace love dove ...
Imagine someone commits a shooting with a revolver say .45 acp, then before leaving the scene they throw down about 20-30 .45 casings picked up at the local gun range, microstamped.
There is no way in CA, a jury of 12 would ever agree that none of the 20-30 microstamped gun owners had anything to do with the crime and someone who had nothing to do with the casings found at the scene, actually committed the crime, WHAT A MESS....11 months and counting, TEXAS please!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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