okiegtrider
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Come on guys! I know we can hate on Glocks better than this, I've seen it! Turn it up!
M2.0 Really Challenging Glock?
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Arik
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Colts are used by the military, yet the company flounders. How is the Glock considered modular? As far as reliability, I've shot Glocks that reps were showing and they jammed! Yeah, there were a lot of excuses, mostly directed to users. As far as holding up, I know of at least one major police agency who had big problems with .40 S&W caliber Glocks. Glock GAVE them 9mm's to keep them quiet. I still think Glocks are outstanding pistols, but perfection? Give me a break (not brake)!
Arik
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Colts are used by the military, yet the company flounders. How is the Glock considered modular? As far as reliability, I've shot Glocks that reps were showing and they jammed! Yeah, there were a lot of excuses, mostly directed to users. As far as holding up, I know of at least one major police agency who had big problems with .40 S&W caliber Glocks. Glock GAVE them 9mm's to keep them quiet. I still think Glocks are outstanding pistols, but perfection? Give me a break (not brake)!
Yes they do have military contract and that's enough to keep them from completely sinking. Because while contracts are lucrative the company is still being used for all it's worth. The parent corporation isn't trying to revive it or make it rise above. More like....well it isn't dead so let's keep sucking money out.
Glock isn't modular. The new 19X, which was the model submitted for military testing is supposed to be to. From my understanding he civilian version is slightly different but basically the same gun. Aside from the removal of the safety I'm not sure what else has been omitted.
Perfection was referring to the (for it's time) least complicated, least amount of parts while still functional.
40sw did have issues early on and if adding a light they still do, or at least did up to recently. Glock 34s are typically used in competitions.
When I got my first Glock I had massive amounts of failures. After several attempts to shoot one full mag without having any issues I gave up and went to trade it. The salesman took it to the range and shoot 2 boxes without a problem. I went with him and couldn't get through a mag without failure. I ended up trading that gun but it was me and not the gun.
Departments switching or having problems is something that happens. Pa state police dropped Glock 21s because they kept having mag catch failure. The only department that had this issue! Along with a incident where a trooper killed his pregnant wife when cleaning his gun. The department moved to the new safer Sig P227 and during transition training the instructor accidentally shot and killed a fellow trooper!
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Lonestar57
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Come on guys! I know we can hate on Glocks better than this, I've seen it! Turn it up!
Well now, that seems to be the problem on a Thread like this. Instead on focusing on what you brand you simply hate which is easy since we all have our biases. We really need to remain focused on what has worked for you and why. Truth be known, the Shield that I carry pretty much everyday is in reality a direct result of Glocks innovative gun making ability many, many years ago. Yes, I do have a healthy respect for the Glock company and their products; don't consider myself a "Fan Boy" but never the less a fan.
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Fan boys are silly. So is brand loyalty and rejecting something because of where it comes from, when it comes to choosing potentially life saving tools. And that's what I view my guns as...tools.
I own Glocks because I feel they are currently the best auto available for personal defense. I choose S&W revolvers for the same reason. I'm not loyal to either and will switch if I determine something else to be better.
I own Glocks because I feel they are currently the best auto available for personal defense. I choose S&W revolvers for the same reason. I'm not loyal to either and will switch if I determine something else to be better.
well for me my cz p01 is superior to the Glock 19 in most every respect...it's beautifully made with superior parts...far better omega trigger decocker or safety which ever you decide all parts included to make change.....aluminum frame..far superior grip comfort....slide inside frame...glock doesn't compare..my .02
I've owned 4 Glocks in the past
I've owned 4 Glocks in the past
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Glocks work but as I've said after 5 that's rite 5 generations , what did they do this time remove the finger grooves in the grip. Now that is a joke. M&P listened and on just gen 2 improved their trigger, grip stippling, frame, accuracy basically everything. That is how you do it. Not well this time the put the finger grooves back on. If you carry a glock for your job then I could see obviously using what you know. However set a glock next to almost any other pistol and it's obvious they glock have been left in the dust. By basically all gun manufacturers. Now that glock lost their military contract maybe just maybe they will be forced to use a little innovation. Nothing against glocks . They work but trying to argue your oem glock is superior to really anything is flat out silly.
Rastoff
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No hate here. Glock makes as decent a gun as any other medium to low end gun. They're just not the perfect gun their fan boys claim they are.
In 5 years of Glock drops below 50% of the LEO market I will be surprised.
Everybody else is still competing for a fraction of the market.
The reason S&W 'lost' the LEO market was partly taking too long to change and the fact that in the 1970-1980's, before glock's arrival their sales organization did not exist. They had NO sales staff in Washington DC for example.
They like a of American companies were NOT evolved to compete.
Everybody else is still competing for a fraction of the market.
The reason S&W 'lost' the LEO market was partly taking too long to change and the fact that in the 1970-1980's, before glock's arrival their sales organization did not exist. They had NO sales staff in Washington DC for example.
They like a of American companies were NOT evolved to compete.
Note I am not a fan boy and 'want' to love S&W, I have owned more of them than any other brand, in fact I might be S&W fanboy, but the Glock 19 just flat out shoots best for me.
I have tried to love Rugers, Sigs, HKS, S&W, and even Colt's... They are all fun in their own ways, but when it's serious... It's Glock or a S&W revolver.
No other Autos please for me, though I still have them they are range guns. If you tastes are different, viva la difference.
I have tried to love Rugers, Sigs, HKS, S&W, and even Colt's... They are all fun in their own ways, but when it's serious... It's Glock or a S&W revolver.
No other Autos please for me, though I still have them they are range guns. If you tastes are different, viva la difference.
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Arik
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I've had Glocks since around 2005. Started carrying one around 2007. I've had around 20 of them. Right now I have about a dozen ranging from the early 90s 1st Gen to current production in 9/40/45. Just replacing ammo every month
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If I am reading this post correctly, your position is that S&W needs no modifications for their pistols, while a Glock pistol requires multiple modifications . . . ?
I'm not sure exactly what "ton" of replacing you're talking about with a Glock. I am aware of the hundreds/thousands of posts on this forum about the necessity of the various APEX and other replacement parts for S&W pistols, including triggers, various springs, steel guide rods, sights, etc. . .
I'm not sure exactly what "ton" of replacing you're talking about with a Glock. I am aware of the hundreds/thousands of posts on this forum about the necessity of the various APEX and other replacement parts for S&W pistols, including triggers, various springs, steel guide rods, sights, etc. . .
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wingriderz
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Indeed on marketing Harley Davidson rode that train for 100 years..its comeing to a slow crawl for them .
Arik
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And you're forgetting about the barrel issues back around 2012 and the chamber issues around 2010 that caused people to buy new barrels or send in for warranty work
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4506517
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Is it a bad time to point out that not only has my agency dumped the M & P, but every other agency in my area has dumped it as well?
We had problems since day !. We went from the full size M & P 45 to the Glock 17. Almost to an individual (I'm sure there are a few people that don't like it) the Glock has been well received.
I for one love it.
You might not.
We had problems since day !. We went from the full size M & P 45 to the Glock 17. Almost to an individual (I'm sure there are a few people that don't like it) the Glock has been well received.
I for one love it.
You might not.
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I've never fired one, but they are extremely popular and seem to be huge sellers. Like Glock.
I have owned a LOT of other Rugers, though. There's nothing mediocre about them.
Mediocre
1. of only ordinary or moderate quality; neither good nor bad; barely adequate
2. not satisfactory; poor; inferior
Any brand whose reputation includes the phrase "built like a tank" can't also be called "mediocre."
