Man arrested after tackling shopper carrying gun

[Retired LTC USAR]

Not only does the original "hero" take him down, but two more join in. One removes his handgun from the holster (what if he had negliently discharged it) and hands it to a fourth person (what if this person had left with it) and then he hands it to a fifth person(Store Manager?) who then exits the camera view.

I can see all sorts of trouble for the one that took him down and the other two that assisted in holding him down.

 

[Triathloncoach]

I know I'm about his age and wouldn't do well physically being tackled and choked that way.

I'm a big strong exercise fanatic who went to college on a wrestling scholarship. If someone attacked me from behind and put me in a clean choke hold I wouldn't do very well either.

 

[3dots]

What a jerk. I'll bet his family is sooooo embarrassed over this.

 

[Ranger514]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_Kh7nLplWo

 

[keith44spl]

Daniels' got a purty good civil suit again Foster and the others that join'd in the melee,
Walmart may be writing a check to Daniels as well.

I guess Foster's gonna get his 15 minutes in the spot lite.....

Let's all jest hope Mr. Foster is arraigned before a firearms friendly Judge


.

 

[Rpg]

This seems like an object lesson about inserting yourself into a situation that doesn't involve imminent threat of serious bodily injury or death to YOU.

We occasionally have discussions on this forum about what we would do if we witnessed a situation involving a BG threatening others. Some opine that they'd 'run to the sound of the gunfire' or otherwise attempt to intervene. After all, they reason, they have a CCW permit!

Wiser folks understand that they aren't LEOs or the Lone Ranger.

Imagine that this yahoo had been armed and played out his Lone Ranger fantasies.

 

[hangnoose]

BIG TO DO AT WALLY-WORLD

"I wonder if the elderly man sustained any injuries?" Give the lawyers a chance. I bet he's wearing a neck brace by now. Innocent as the victim is, I'll bet he is re-thinking his CONCEALED carry method, as we ALL should be. If Johnny superhero could tell he was carrying, Who else could? With all the CCL's issued in FL and carriers, licensed or not here, I worry more about buying it from a stray shot or friendly fire. Gotta love "THE" Walmart for people watching, it's better than Disney, open 24/7, and free. BTW a 62 y/o here in Gods waiting room is practically a pimple faced kid.

 

[NYlakesider]

As a person that has carried a concealed weapon since the mid 1970s and a former NRA certified pistol instructor of my counties mandatory pistol permit pre issues instruction course the man with the gun did not have it well enough concealed. Concealed means concealed and your piece should not be detected expect by a pat down or metal detector. Still that was no reason for him to get jumped!

Living here in the super anti gun people's republic of NY if someone sees your piece, more than likely the cops will be called. If the cops find you and depending on where it happens & you have a gun a good chance it will be confiscated on the spot and when you go before the judge to plead your case your permit will be revoked. That's life here, so prudent people know how to conceal a gun. Oh by the way if the person with a concealed gun turns out to be a cop nothing happens because of his (Tin) status.

Now with that said what the heck was that aggressor person thinking. Going around and committing an assault on a another person, double so knowing full well a person is armed. It even could have been an off duty/retired Leo.

 

[Evil Dog]

I hope that idiot has a big checkbook

 

[mstem]

I wonder if the elderly man sustained some serious and lasting injuries after being viciously assaulted by this obviously deranged Michael Foster. I wouldn't be surprised if there will be a civil lawsuit in the future. I can recommend an attorney in Florida with the tenacity of a pit bull. That would be my cousin Butch. Michael Foster's criminal proceedings may just be the beginning of his troubles.

Elderly? Just what the hell do you me by that comment? I'm 60 & I'm a loooooooooooooooong way from elderly!!!!!!!!!! You young whippersnapper!

 

[85V65Sabre]

He about knocked down the kid pushing the cart.
There goes his "I was woried for the shopers safty" defence.

In this world a man must either be anvil or hammer.

 

[Trooperdan]

Battery is only a misdemeanor here if FL, could draw a year in jail but mostly likely just probation and maybe a fine. I'd like to know if the two that joined in were Walmart employees? That might make a whole lotta difference! I do so hope the CCW pursues a lawsuit and presses hard for the DA to slam dunk this wanna-be hero.

 

[FishingPilot]

......with the tenacity of a pit bull......my cousin Butch.

I think the tough dog in the Looney Toons shows was called Butch. He always had a little dog running around with him. He was a bull dog not a pit bull but close enough.

 

[rwsmith]

Good point....

My thoughts after watching that video a couple of times are, the whole thing was over in about 3 or 4 seconds. Clarence never even reached for his gun, which is probably exactly how it would have went down for 99% of us. For all the talk about situational awareness and CQB training, how many of us are really hyper-vigilant every minute of every day? Whether it's an idiot "hero" wannabe, or someone with much worse intentions, going from bum-rushed to disarmed in a few seconds just isn't something most of us are prepared for.

I would be wary in the parking lot, but once in the store I would surely let my guard down. It's hard to defend a surprise attack which is what most attacks are.

 

[islamoradamark]

i bet you Fosters lawyer is going to say he was just in a big hurry to get to the 50% off sale rack and knocked him down by accident

 

[arjay]

It was inevitable.99% of the people in this country don't carry and most of them believe that those who do are loony at best and probably are up to no good at worst.In other words,keep it concealed.

 

[labworm]

Most Anti's would probably run the other way and call the police.

This guy definitely is missing quite a few cards in the deck.

 

[the ringo kid]

I'm a big strong exercise fanatic who went to college on a wrestling scholarship. If someone attacked me from behind and put me in a clean choke hold I wouldn't do very well either.

Remind me to never pick a fight with you in person--im your opposite and have a touch of Muscular Dystrophy.

 

[the ringo kid]

I think the tough dog in the Looney Toons shows was called Butch. He always had a little dog running around with him. He was a bull dog not a pit bull but close enough.

In Tom and Jerry as well as in Droopy--the tough dog--was Spike. Dino was the toughy in the Flintstones.

 

[wheelgunguy]

Someone ought to let the idiot that tackled the guy know that Walmart sells guns, ammo, and accessories. If seeing a gun freaks you out. You may want to rethink your shopping decisions.

 

[pineappleshooter]

If I were the victim, I think I would have severe nerve damage in my neck. It would be so bad I might never be able to work again. My quality of life would be ruined. It would impair my ability to have conjugal relations with my significant other, etc., etc, etc, etc

 

[badam0112]

Florida passed a law in 2011 that allows accidental displays of a concealed weapon. I hope the victim sues this moron into bankruptcy.

"It is not a violation of this section for a person licensed to carry a concealed firearm as provided in s. 790.06(1), and who is lawfully carrying a firearm in a concealed manner, to briefly and openly display the firearm to the ordinary sight of another person, unless the firearm is intentionally displayed in an angry or threatening manner, not in necessary self-defense."

Rick Scott Approves Bill to "Briefly" Flash Your Gun at People | New Times Broward-Palm Beach

 

[k22fan]

Daniels' got a purty good civil suit again Foster and the others that join'd in the melee,
Walmart may be writing a check to Daniels as well. [...]

Walmart can argue they saved Daniels' life by by having an empty shelf. If he'd been spotted carrying a brick of .22s he would have been crushed under the pig pile.

 

[johngalt]

This should be a good example for the endless "what if..." scenarios posted here. You can't assume you know what is going on and which is the bad guy.

 

[JcMack]

When I shop at the WM down the road I know everybody has a gun, and I'm the only one carrying legally. They have a new super WM under construction a mile away. It will share the parking lot with the Cabelas. I predict it will change the customer base at Cabelas dramatically. They actually use Cabelas now as a Police sub station. Both stores are right next to the interstate with easy access to Chicago. It's gonna be a friggen nightmare.

 

[mstuhr]

"Battery is only a misdemeanor here if FL"
I thought Florida had a battery on a old person=felony clause of some kind. Anybody know if this is true?
Thanks
Mike

 

[cmort666]

If it had been me attacked, I probably would have shot that imbecile. Failing that, I'd have buried my thumbs in his eye sockets up to my elbows.

After that things would have gotten ugly.

When you do a lot of IT work in law offices, you make some useful contacts.

 

[bhayles]

Elderly? Just what the hell do you me by that comment? I'm 60 & I'm a loooooooooooooooong way from elderly!!!!!!!!!! You young whippersnapper!

It hasn't been that long ago that I considered an age starting with a "6" or higher was "elderly". Now...not so much.

I turned 60 a week ago today and I am definitely NOT elderly.

 

[Rintimtin]

I bet he was already thinking about what he'd say to the news when he would SURELY be interviewed and asked about his heroic act.

My thoughts exactly.

 

[bhayles]

Failing that, I'd have buried my thumbs in his eye sockets up to my elbows.

My thoughts exactly. Until the second guy jumped in his right hand was free.

I knew the weekend of Target Focus Training was worth the bucks.