MANDATORY classes for ccw?

[USAF385]

you want to own a gun, then prove to me and every American who values their safety as well as the safety of their family that you have the legal and practical knowledge that should be "mandatory" when possessing a firearm.

I really hope that just came out wrong.

 

[timn8er]

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Et tu timn8er? "

Yeah, even me, Lost Lake.

"Do you really think a great number of people will buy a gun, load it and stuff it in their pants if they don't feel comfortable or knowledgeable about how it works and how to use it?"

We seem to be painting with broad strokes here, so if one of us can, all of us can! And I don't recall saying anything about a "great number of people". If the possibility exists for this to happen, it shouldn't.

"I like the chainsaw reference. Very deadly, yet no mandated safety class."

I got nothing here, as I didn't reference chain saws in my post.

"The truth is where no mandated firearm training is required we see no increase in accidents."

So training won't help anyway? I'm not talking about accidental shootings, I'm talking about shootings that happen when people don't know where their rights end & someone else's begin.

"I still can't get over this thread's poll numbers showing the majority of people here think the government needs to protect and regulate them."

I don't believe that at all!!

"Unbelievable. "

If you're talking about depending on someones common sense, best of luck with that. What I see on the news everyday tells me that there is a major shortage of that right now.

 

[SW_shooter]

I guess you're done debating the issue then.

Oh I dunno, I'd debate with ya as long as it remains civil, too many people turn to personal attacks or reading things into posts that aren't there if you disagree with them. Plus, I think you left the question too open or undefined, perhaps on purpose.

I'm not entirely sure we're on totally opposite ends either.

I like the guys and gals on the forum and don't want to create hard feelings or adversaries in the place I enjoy talking all things gun.

 

[hoppes-no9]

Do you support MANDATORY firearms safety classes for concealed carry licensee's?

Absolutely yes. Classroom and range with tests in both.

 

[nachogrande]

REQ'D TRAINING

Lostlake, "do you really think unskilled/untrained/ignorant/inexperienced people will just stick a loaded gun in their pocket?" OH HELL YES! MILLIONS OF THEM NATIONWIDE! that's what worries me. the chainsaw reference, I doubt a chainsaw user is gonna miss the tree he wanted to cut down and hit a small kid with it up to a mile away. have any doubts that training would be a good idea, visit ANY busy public range and witness the bonehead moves you will see real soon. next time you go to one just look up at the ceiling and count the bullet holes.

 

[redlevel]

...you want to own a gun, then prove to me and every American who values their safety as well as the safety of their family that you have the legal and practical knowledge that should be "mandatory" when possessing a firearm.

I really hope that just came out wrong.

One thing about these threads, they usually bring out these attitudes; people wind up displaying true colors. Several have been exposed . . . . can you say 'mcbear' or 'Ray Vaughn'?

No, I don't think it came out wrong. It is a typical elitist sentiment. "You don't have enough sense to know what's good for you. Here, we know best, and we will tell you what's good for you. If you know what's in your best interest, you will listen."

 

[timn8er]

I really think that people are getting way too carried away over this. Posters calling others traitors, nuts, elitists, & now the tin foil hats seem to be coming out. Aren't we all simply allowed to express an opinion, without being attacked by others who don't share that opinion? I think EVERYBODY needs to lighten up!

 

[Realzebub45]

I still say we could put a great voluntary system together before handing to job over to Mizz Pelosi. Even if it takes a while to get to everyone, we could certainly get to a lot of people before it was fully ramped up. Think how many people could have received this knowledge in the time since this thread was started.

Maybe this solution is not a simple undertaking, but I for one find it more attractive than allowing the politicians to come up with it and vote for the lesser of the evils.

 

[redlevel]

I really think that people are getting way too carried away over this.

I'll get carried away every time someone suggests mandatory training for simply purchasing or owning a gun, which is exactly what Alnamvet68 did.

 

[woodsltc]

you want to own a gun, then prove to me and every American who values their safety as well as the safety of their family that you have the legal and practical knowledge that should be "mandatory" when possessing a firearm.

Whoa there...looks like your true colors are showing.

Nancy..Joe..BHO...is that you on here??

Don

 

[Lost Lake]

When you buy a new ATV, first timers are offered a free rider's course.

What a great idea for gun manufacturers to do the same! Offer a safety course if it is your first gun purchase.


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[keith44spl]

Well Boys,

I'm shore glad I got mine back back before '68

I was raised in a time and place where firearms were more common............Than the common cold.

I instruct concealed carry firearms safety courses, which are mandated by statute by and for the Commonwealth.

I also instruct intermittent and advance classes, as well as some private instruction on responding to
active shooter(s) (Upon verified qualification(s) and my own evaluation & acceptance to my classes.)

I have been in close contact and have known folks for the last half century that carried a firearm(s) concealed for their personal protection, both men and women, long before the CCW craze.

Since the passage of statues to allow lawful concealed carry in the Commonwealth of Kentucky and as a detective for the Commonwealth,
I have not worked a case nor recall an incident of a mis-use of force by a licensee nor a non-licensee....That did not have a prior criminal record.


A firearms student that seeks voluntary firearm safety and marksmanship training, general speaking,
is the firearms enthusiast that is looking for a higher degree of personal development, rather than the mechanics of the issue.


As far as mandatory training required to purchase, posses and or carry on one's person, I see this as a blatant attack on one's personal liberties and I do believe it would be unconscionable as well as unconstitutional.

I do hereby and hereupon believe that folks have a inalienable right to;

'Life, Liberty & The Pursuit of Happiness' regardless of their stature in life, wealth, age, and or God given abilities.


"God created Man....Sam Colt made them Equal!"


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[woodsltc]

If you can afford a gun, you should be able to afford training that will make you safe. If you have to choose between feeding your kids and buying a gun, then the choice is quite clear.

I'm not trying to anger you, I'm really not.....but do you realize just how snobby and elitist this reply is??

Don

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

The Constitution is where I find my answer to the original question, but for sake of discussion...

If you want to mandate something upon others, isn't the burden of proof upon you?

For example: Prove that Georgia permit holders have a significantly higher frequency of missed shots during self defense shootings resulting in innocent bystanders being shot than do each of the other states requiring training. Also, is the frequency of such incidents greater than being struck by lightening?

I don't pretend to have this information, but I'd like to see if the fear of risk from lack of mandatory CC training is measured and real, or is it delusion?

 

[RBB Texas]

DOH

Yes, without question.

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

Just how much proof do you suggest? Who do you suggest to be in charge of the mandatory "legal and practical knowledge" education you would require for simply owning and possessing a gun? What kind of government documentation would you require?

Might I also assume from this particular post that you would also favor universal background checks as well as universal registration, just so enforcement authorities can be sure those you deem unqualified can be prevented from acquiring a weapon?

Sounds like it to me.

Good questions.

Crackheads wandering around with guns... not good. Shouldn't all gun owners, particularly those applying for a carry permit, be required to submit to drug testing?

Folks with mental defects wandering around with guns... not good. Shouldn't all gun owners, particularly those applying for a carry permit, be required to submit to a mental health evaluation by a qualified doctor?

In the killing incidents reported in the prior link, most all were related to jealousy, disagreements and momentary rage. Shouldn't all gun owners be required to attend schooling on personal relationships, conflict resolution and anger management?

Of course I offer the above with sarcasm, but I wonder just how far some folks are willing to go to make this a perfect CC world?

 

[ladder13]

Well, seems that some don't like the wording of the poll, even suggesting I'm a troll, or worse. By all means start your own poll and word it "correctly", sorry this big city educated boy ain't as smart as some.
I've even been accused of inciting people against one another, part of the troll thing I guess. Heck, what's wrong with a simple yes or no answer to the poll since that is the 2 choices? Your opinion is even private if you want it to be, no need to comment at all. So I'm the troll?
I've been here 8 years, made my share of friends and probably made some enemies. I speak plainly, that bothers some, but at least I'm honest.
Carry on, if you will.

 

[jlrhiner]

Troublemaker.

 

[keith44spl]

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Well......... I'm a troll, or worse..............

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Nah, I don't believe the troll part for a second..........But,

Ya sure know how to smoke the cockroaches out of the woodworks!

Mike, Yer all right in my book.


Su Amigo,
Dave


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[DeathGrip]

Do you support MANDATORY firearms safety classes for concealed carry licensee's?

If you can't understand the question, r e a d s l o w l y .