Marijuana Question

IMHO, ANY company that wants to have drug testing should have the right to hire and fire based on those continued results.
Law says you can go out and get your face tattooed with a huge spider. That doesn't mean you should be surprised when you don't get that sweet bankers job because of it. (If you are surprised, then your likely smoking allot of pot already.)

FWIW, Testing drug free is a requirement to hold a security clearance which is a requirement for me to hold my job. We've been instructed that even medical marijuana is not acceptable. I'm good with that.
 
Reading through this thread is interesting. Sounds like a few more folks have seen Reefer Madness than have read The Emperor Wears No Clothes. Marijuana... Pot.... Dope... Sounds like the old-guard not wanting to admit they've always been wrong, carrying the torch for the wrong cause, with the wrong information, misled by propaganda the entire way... It is cannabis folks, mostly hybrids of sativa and indica, but there are other family members out there. It is a cousin to hops and hackberries for goodness sake!

Seeing as how the prohibition of cannabis began as A) a way of discriminating against black men (as the white male population was scared that black men would use cannabis with white women to "lure" them in sexually, same was claimed about cocaine); and B) DuPont had created nylon out of petrolium and feared that the massive hemp production in the US for the war effort would be turned into a competing product at the war's end -> hence the "Marihuana Tax Act of 1937". In 1937 you had to show them the goods to get the tax stamp. However if you were in possession of the goods without the stamp, you were committing a crime. Gotta enjoy how government uses the Catch 22 to their advantage. Gotta enjoy big business butting in way back in 1937.

Over the years, it turned in to an extremely convenient way to discriminate against a subset of society deemed "undesireable" by government and law enforcement. Since science and medicine were banned from even discovering any useful or revolutionary breakthroughs involving cannabis extracts, the juggernaut simply kept its pace at tossing "dopeheads" or "potheads" in prison to feed the system. And the '60s only exacerbated the situation since the hippies were waving the flag - double whammy of undesirable!

Pre-employment drug screening seems like nothing more than legal discrimination. I personally have had to deal with "tweakers" whom I suspected heavily of white powder activity but passed the UA I administered where the non-problematic "pothead" fails and I was forced to send them down the road. I've dealt with 100% functioning alcoholics who were 1st to a 7:00 safety meeting, worked until told they were done then retreated to their hotel room for the night to drink 2 cases of beer!

There is also very strong evidence that if this country were to turn its foolish ethanol program into a hemp oil program, we would be able to significantly decrease our dependance on foreign fossil fuels within a 10 year period. Growing upwards of 3 crops per year would also help to counteract the CO2 problem "greenhouse" gasses as I think they refer to them as.

But I certainly would avoid traveling to CO to smoke legal cannabis as an employer can and probably will fire you for whatever they desire, including cannabis consumption. My guess is that a good 10 or 20 more years will be required for the laws and attitudes to come in line with how the majority of folks feel about this divisive topic.

Personally, I'd rather have a crew of cannabis users than tweakers or drunks. Far easier to administer. And like someone already pointed out, the trick is to just stare intently to get what you want...:)
 
They need to change it from "food" to "medical", or something not covered under the card.

Noticed where Tennessee may pass laws to have cannabis, I hope so.. I have a friend who is using the oil for cancer.
He doesn't like being an outlaw!

Best wishes to your friend, hope he recovers fully.
 
"Studies have shown changes in the linings of the breathing passages in marijuana smokers. But results of epidemiologic studies of marijuana and cancer risk have been inconsistent, and most recent epidemiologic studies have not found a substantial effect on cancer risk." - American Cancer Society

Just as an aside, the ACS really simplifies what they put on their website sometimes and does a poor job citing where they get their info. As for the is it safer than tobacco point, almost certainly, at least in terms of pure statistics. The ACS makes the above claim based on the fact that many studies do poorly in meta analyses due to poor experimental control (for example, many who smoke pot smoke tobacco, which if you don't correct for statistically ruins your data) and therefore there aren't many reputable studies left to make a decision from.

The url below is one of the biggest meta analyses of the epidemological data regarding marijuana smoking which supports my position regarding the ACSs comment. Basically the study concludes that from the studies available at the time, after corrections for confounding variables are applied or the study thrown out, no 'signficant' (with p-value <.05) association can be seen between lung cancer rates and marijuana consumption; however, the absence of a significant result in statistical terminology does not imply the absence of an effect.

http://www.lungcanceralliance.org/a...between marijuana smoking and lung cancer.pdf

As the article states, marijuana smoke is associated with a number of pre-neoplastic changes in lung tissues including dysplasia, oxidative stress as well as impairment of aveolar macrophage anti-tumor activity. The effects are not statistically significant when you look at their p-values, but the information indicates that it does have undesirable effects. Alot of the effects are probably due to the inhalation of combustion products more than from chemicals in marijuana.

Several studies done with the methodology set down in the review article support the notion that cannabis smoke is a carcinogen, with risks factors between 2.12 to 11.55x base risk for lung cancer with a 95% confidence ranges of 1.08 to 4.14 for the lower bound and 1.5 and 21.6 for the upper.(Aldington 'Cannabis use and risk of lung cancer' and Callaghan 'Marijuana use and risk of lung cancer') So definitely safer than tobacco but almost certainly more dangerous than not smoking, at least with regards to lung cancer.
 
This will add a new element to the discussion. I guess you can screw up your mind if you want to, but should taxpayers be paying for it?
Colorado Pot Shop to Accept Food Stamps - Taxpayer Funded Marijuana for Welfare Recipients - Conservative Frontline | Conservative Frontline

Food Stamps means that WE are paying for it.
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"Just don't LIE about what it is you're trying to achieve."

Are you talking about me personally or people in general?

I don't think I'll be asking Hillary a thing... and she better not ask for my vote!:D

The like is for your last sentence.
 
They need to change it from "food" to "medical", or something not covered under the card.

Noticed where Tennessee may pass laws to have cannabis, I hope so.. I have a friend who is using the oil for cancer.
He doesn't like being an outlaw!

You can also buy in the medicinal category too because of the cash option on their food stamp cards.
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On the Form 4473, 11 E states, " Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance?"

You answer "Yes" and you are done. You answer "No" and your dealer calls in the background check. DECLINED Why? We have on record that you bought marijuana. Now, it is on you to prove that you did not use it unlawfully nor are addicted to marijuana. Meanwhile, you're still DECLINED.

The government allowed you to buy pot but they also eliminated a group of firearms purchasers. The government is not stupid, the people are.
 
The medical excuse is a joke for the vast majority of users. We all know it.
They have "doctors" right inside some of these stores ready willing and able to issue you a "prescription".
There was some "doctor" on the news the other day dispensing "prescriptions" for this drug @$100 a pop, cash money...

That scenario differs from other legal drugs how, exactly?


Sgt Lumpy
 
So Sarge, are you trying to say that cannabis smoke is not offensive?

Not saying that at all. But whether or not I feel it's offensive is not the issue.

If it's against the law to smoke within XX feet of some entrance, then it's surely against the law to smoke either tobacco OR pot.

PLUS, it's surely against the law to smoke pot ANYwhere in public, not just 50 feet. Tobacco smokers are less restricted than pot smokers.

I suspect that the smell of pot smoke IS offensive to you but likely it's because it suggests there are "dopers" and others on the other end of that smoke that you don't feel are worthy of enjoying the same rights you do, not because the actual smoke particles bother you. Particularly if you are indeed a Marlboro smoker.

In my world "self righteous, meddling, elitist, post menopausal soccer moms" have the right to feel good, pass laws, have opinions and viewpoints, vote and pay taxes, be represented by politicians and public servants... generally the same things that grumpy old codgers have the right to do.

Hope that 'splains it a little better.


Sgt Lumpy
 

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