Model 36 accuracy question

[model3sw]

Where did you come up with this? Gang bangers don't run. Many have recent military training, which makes them trained killers.

A Chief Special ain't a target gun. It's a belly gun.

If I were to assess a Chief's accuracy, it'd be at 10'.

without any personal ill feelings or stong words, i feel compelled to ask if you are a past or present Law Enforcement Officer and, are your statements formulated from "your" personal, first hand experience under fire ? By this I ask, were you ever actually ... physically and solely ... involved in such a situation, where you had to defend your LIFE or your family;s lives by the use of deadly force ?

Take my words that i describe a situation where you were a subject of a armed criminal's attack, and, there was not the slightest provocation on your part, prior, nor any other way to quell the situation without use of a firearm.

 

[rwsmith]

I've finally seen....

How far away is that?

I've finally seen a range cheaper than the one I use. Mind did spring for paint to make some yard markers.

I don't think they have ANY heat in there. I was there one of the really cold days last week and wanted to go to the outdoor range so I could warm up. I shot my 36 (with big grips) two cylinders worth and had to quit, pack up and leave. I don't mind recoil but it felt like I was slapping my hand on an ice block. Not very pleasant.

It also gets pretty hot in there in the summer.

I've have said before that their ventilation is a guy standing in front of the exhaust grill fanning the smoke out by waving a newspaper.

After this last trip I doubt that they have any heat OR ventilation.

 

[rwsmith]

Shooting was much more emphasized in those days....

About 40 years ago we had to qualify at 25 YARDS with our carry weapons, be they 4 inch K frames or 2 inch J frames. The guns are capable. We were taught timed deliberate aimed fire (and were turned out for duty with 15 to 23 rounds of ammo), no spray and pray. My M640 will put five into a group you can cover with a silver dollar at 7 yards and I can still keep all shots on a paper plate at 25 yards (that would be the same size as Mr. Psycopath's head).

Today NOT shooting is emphasized.

I love those old videos of FBI training where they hunker down and shooting from the hip and still nail the target.

 

[rwsmith]

One thing you don't hear mentioned as much...

Good Morning, Mr. Tomkins,

I remember those days, but they were about 35 years ago for me. In the mid '80's, we were agency disabused of the Weaver stance, combat crouch, isosceles hold, deliberate aim, and all that went with it. We were retrained with hip point, shoulder point, and aiming at 15 yards. For many reasons, we never qualified beyond 15 yards. Most importantly, tactics evolved: the primary objective was not dying. Learning how to avoid bullets became more important that hitting threats. We were taught to identify suitable barriers that are common. Trading our lives for bad guys' lives was not a suitable outcome. ANY hit on a bad guy was a good hit. Also, hits in groups were not as efficacious as hits inches apart. Speed to battery and speed to shots on threats were required. Misses were considered good if they prevented incoming rounds. That was around the time that revolvers became obsolete for cop work.

I believe our retraining based upon scientific data from US DOJ was about two weeks.

Bad guys can soak up a lotta lead. Add drugs on board, and even biology can be slightly cheated.

There is no such thing as cheating in gunfights. Getting behind a barrier (tactical retreat) is a lot more wise than trading rounds with a bad guy.

Trying to hit the target WHILE MOVING TO COVER is seldom mentioned here. Standing like a duelist while somebody is shooting at you isn't healthy.