Model of 1899 Serial numbers

[cgt4570]

Mike,

-My Army is stamped S&W .38 Mil (13664)
-My Navy is not stamped (5048)
-Commercial is marked .38 Special CTG (14649)
-I previously owned serial number 39 in .32 Winchester and it was correctly roll marked as such.
-I have a project 4-digit .32 Winchester and it is the same.

I have never seen a .32 that wasn't caliber marked.
I have only seen the dual .38 stamp on 1902 and later.

My Army was factory refinished in Nickel in the 1920's. It will chamber a 38 Special so I always assumed it had been reamed longer. Good info above that it was originally chambered for .38 Special.

Added: I just checked again. My Army WILL chamber a .38 Spl but my Navy WILL NOT.

 

[Driftwood Johnson]

Hi Mike

Thanks for answering my question.

 

[merl67]

Just an observation I had wondered for years why the cylinder on a Smith & Wesson Model 10 was much longer than needed for the 38 special. That is until bought my first one chambered for the 32-20 then it became obvious it was designed around the 32-20 from the get go. Does anyone know if the 32-20 ones were made first then the 38 Special or did the production on these run at the same time

 

[AlanDavid]

I don't suppose anyone has a possible example of one of the 500 1899 Navy revolvers that were purchased in July 1940 by the United Kingdom along with 500,000 M1917 rifles and 80,000 assorted machine guns, from U.S. stocks?

The revolver would almost certainly have British commercial proof marks. Weather any received British ordnance inspection marks is unknown at this point.

Regards

AlanD
Sydney

 

[model3sw]

Mike, Found another one

17,571, 6" nickel RB ".38 S&W SPECIAL CTG. "

Sal

 

[mikepriwer]

As of Dec 24, 2016

Here is the updated list, with the latest 1 addition:

23* no caliber roll marking
40* no caliber roll marking
179* no caliber roll marking
213* no caliber roll marking
225* no caliber roll marking
757* no caliber roll marking
1254 no caliber roll marking
1404 no caliber roll marking
1949 no caliber roll marking
3450* no caliber roll marking
3497* no caliber roll marking
3695 no caliber roll marking
3733* no caliber roll marking
3865 no caliber roll marking
5001 - 6000 Navy Contract no caliber roll marking
5501 - Navy Contract - no caliber roll marking
5646 Navy Contract no caliber roll marking
5946 Navy Contract no caliber roll marking
6725* no caliber roll marking
7311* no caliber roll marking

7583* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
7719* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
7787* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
8636* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
8929* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
8939* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
10471 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
12089* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
12286* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
13001 - 14000 Army Contract S&W 38 MIL
13135* S&W 38 MIL (Army Contract)
13262* S&W 38 MIL (Army Contract)
13767* S&W 38 MIL (Army Contract)
14048* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
14669* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
14797* - .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
14810 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
15330* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
15851* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
16128* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
16916* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
17085 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
17452* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
17813* S&W 38 MIL Dec 1902 Probably Army contract over-run barrel
18291 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG

19155* no caliber roll marking

19593* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
19759* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG Feb 1902
20114 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
20802* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG

Thanks for your help, Mike Priwer

 

[glowe]

Sal's 17,571 is not in the database?

 

[mikepriwer]

As of Dec 28, 2016

Thank you, Gary, for calling Sal's serial number to my attention.

Here is the updated list, with the latest 1 addition:

23* no caliber roll marking
40* no caliber roll marking
179* no caliber roll marking
213* no caliber roll marking
225* no caliber roll marking
757* no caliber roll marking
1254 no caliber roll marking
1404 no caliber roll marking
1949 no caliber roll marking
3450* no caliber roll marking
3497* no caliber roll marking
3695 no caliber roll marking
3733* no caliber roll marking
3865 no caliber roll marking
5001 - 6000 Navy Contract no caliber roll marking
5501 - Navy Contract - no caliber roll marking
5646 Navy Contract no caliber roll marking
5946 Navy Contract no caliber roll marking
6725* no caliber roll marking
7311* no caliber roll marking

7583* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
7719* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
7787* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
8636* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
8929* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
8939* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
10471 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
12089* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
12286* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
13001 - 14000 Army Contract S&W 38 MIL
13135* S&W 38 MIL (Army Contract)
13262* S&W 38 MIL (Army Contract)
13767* S&W 38 MIL (Army Contract)
14048* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
14669* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
14797* - .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
14810 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
15330* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
15851* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
16128* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
16916* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
17085 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
17452* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
17571* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
17813* S&W 38 MIL Dec 1902 Probably Army contract over-run barrel
18291 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG

19155* no caliber roll marking

19593* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
19759* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG Feb 1902
20114 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
20802* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG

Thanks for your help, Mike Priwer

 

[docyoung]

My .38 Spec with SN 7457 has no barrel markings or CTG size.

docyoung

 

[TLflag]

Model of 1899

Navy Contract 5007, no roll marking

 

[mikepriwer]

As of Jan 3, 2017

Here is the updated list, with the latest 2 addition:

23* no caliber roll marking
40* no caliber roll marking
179* no caliber roll marking
213* no caliber roll marking
225* no caliber roll marking
757* no caliber roll marking
1254 no caliber roll marking
1404 no caliber roll marking
1949 no caliber roll marking
3450* no caliber roll marking
3497* no caliber roll marking
3695 no caliber roll marking
3733* no caliber roll marking
3865 no caliber roll marking
5001 - 6000 Navy Contract no caliber roll marking
5007 - Navy Contract - no caliber roll marking
5501 - Navy Contract - no caliber roll marking
5646 Navy Contract no caliber roll marking
5946 Navy Contract no caliber roll marking
6725* no caliber roll marking
7311* no caliber roll marking
7457* no caliber roll marking

7583* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
7719* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
7787* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
8636* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
8929* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
8939* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
10471 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
12089* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
12286* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
13001 - 14000 Army Contract S&W 38 MIL
13135* S&W 38 MIL (Army Contract)
13262* S&W 38 MIL (Army Contract)
13767* S&W 38 MIL (Army Contract)
14048* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
14669* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
14797* - .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
14810 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
15330* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
15851* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
16128* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
16916* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
17085 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
17452* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
17571* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
17813* S&W 38 MIL Dec 1902 Probably Army contract over-run barrel
18291 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG

19155* no caliber roll marking

19593* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
19759* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG Feb 1902
20114 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
20802* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG

Thanks for your help, Mike Priwer

 

[mikepriwer]

As of Jan 21 2017

Here is the updated list, with the latest 1 addition:

23* no caliber roll marking
40* no caliber roll marking
179* no caliber roll marking
213* no caliber roll marking
225* no caliber roll marking
757* no caliber roll marking
1254 no caliber roll marking
1404 no caliber roll marking
1949 no caliber roll marking
3450* no caliber roll marking
3497* no caliber roll marking
3695 no caliber roll marking
3733* no caliber roll marking
3865 no caliber roll marking
5001 - 6000 Navy Contract no caliber roll marking
5007 - Navy Contract - no caliber roll marking
5501 - Navy Contract - no caliber roll marking
5646 Navy Contract no caliber roll marking
5946 Navy Contract no caliber roll marking
6725* no caliber roll marking
7311* no caliber roll marking
7457* no caliber roll marking

7583* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
7719* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
7787* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
8636* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
8929* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
8939* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
10471 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
10631* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
12089* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
12286* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
13001 - 14000 Army Contract S&W 38 MIL
13135* S&W 38 MIL (Army Contract)
13262* S&W 38 MIL (Army Contract)
13767* S&W 38 MIL (Army Contract)
14048* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
14669* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
14797* - .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
14810 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
15330* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
15851* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
16128* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
16916* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
17085 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
17452* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
17571* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
17813* S&W 38 MIL Dec 1902 Probably Army contract over-run barrel
18291 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG

19155* no caliber roll marking

19593* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
19759* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG Feb 1902
20114 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
20802* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG

Thanks for your help, Mike Priwer

 

[merl67]

Wow you are getting close to narrowing it down less than a hundred separating the two groups. Just noticed you have a flyer with serial number 19155.

 

[Karl J]

15031 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG

 

[mikepriwer]

As of March 14, 2017

Here is the updated list, with the latest 3 additions:

23* no caliber roll marking
40* no caliber roll marking
179* no caliber roll marking
213* no caliber roll marking
225* no caliber roll marking
757* no caliber roll marking
1254 no caliber roll marking
1404 no caliber roll marking
1949 no caliber roll marking
3450* no caliber roll marking
3497* no caliber roll marking
3695 no caliber roll marking
3733* no caliber roll marking
3865 no caliber roll marking
5001 - 6000 Navy Contract no caliber roll marking
5007 - Navy Contract - no caliber roll marking
5501 - Navy Contract - no caliber roll marking
5646 Navy Contract no caliber roll marking
5946 Navy Contract no caliber roll marking
6725* no caliber roll marking
7311* no caliber roll marking
7457* no caliber roll marking

7583* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
7719* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
7787* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
8636* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
8820* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
8929* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
8939* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
10471 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
10631* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
12089* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
12286* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
13001 - 14000 Army Contract S&W 38 MIL
13135* S&W 38 MIL (Army Contract)
13262* S&W 38 MIL (Army Contract)
13767* S&W 38 MIL (Army Contract)
14048* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
14669* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
14797* - .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
14810 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
15031* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
15051* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
15330* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
15851* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
16128* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
16916* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
17085 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
17452* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
17571* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
17813* S&W 38 MIL Dec 1902 Probably Army contract over-run barrel
18291 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG

19155* no caliber roll marking

19593* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
19759* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG Feb 1902
20114 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
20802* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG

Thanks for your help, Mike Priwer

 

[mikepriwer]

Merl67

19155 may be a replaced barrel. with an earlier one. Or, its possible that the factory found an earlier barrel lying around, and used it . I also recognize that we have a very small sample, and with a lot more guns, we might find anomalies, although I doubt that there are a whole lot more survivors.

KarlJ

Thanks for the information on 15031. I added it to the file.

Regards, Mike

 

[Niner19]

Pistol 15051 with the 38 roll mark.

 

[mikepriwer]

Niner19

Thanks for this serial number. I added this to my latest post, above in this thread.

Regards, Mike Priwer

 

[mikepriwer]

As of June 25, 2017

Here is the updated list, with the latest 1 addition:

23* no caliber roll marking
40* no caliber roll marking
179* no caliber roll marking
213* no caliber roll marking
225* no caliber roll marking
757* no caliber roll marking
1254 no caliber roll marking
1404 no caliber roll marking
1923 no caliber roll marking
1949 no caliber roll marking
3450* no caliber roll marking
3497* no caliber roll marking
3695 no caliber roll marking
3733* no caliber roll marking
3865 no caliber roll marking
5001 - 6000 Navy Contract no caliber roll marking
5007 - Navy Contract - no caliber roll marking
5501 - Navy Contract - no caliber roll marking
5646 Navy Contract no caliber roll marking
5694 Navy Contract no caliber roll marking
5946 Navy Contract no caliber roll marking
6215 no caliber roll marking
6725* no caliber roll marking
7311* no caliber roll marking
7457* no caliber roll marking

7546 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
7583* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
7719* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
7787* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
8636* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
8820* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
8929* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
8939* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
10471 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
10607* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
10631* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
12089* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
12286* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
13001 - 14000 Army Contract S&W 38 MIL
13135* S&W 38 MIL (Army Contract)
13245* S&W 38 MIL (Army Contract)
13262* S&W 38 MIL (Army Contract)
13767* S&W 38 MIL (Army Contract)
14048* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
14669* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
14797* - .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
14810 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
15031* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
15051* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
15330* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
15851* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
16128* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
16916* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
17085 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
17452* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
17571* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
17813* S&W 38 MIL Dec 1902 Probably Army contract over-run barrel
18291 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG

19155* no caliber roll marking

19593* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
19759* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG Feb 1902
20114 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
20802* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG

Thanks for your help, Mike Priwer

 

[DEL56]

1899 serial numbers

I have three 1899 S&W. Here are the serial numbers for them and if they have the roll marks on the barrels. The first is serial # 7676 and it is blued. It does not have any barrel marks about cartridge. The second is serial #5256. It is currently nickel finished and is not barrel marked for cartridge either. I am a little confused on this one as it is in the range for the Navy issued ones and is nickel plated. The serial # for it is in the same place as the Army issued one I have and not on the bottom of the grip, bt on the front side of the grip. Behind the cylinder yoke is another number which is 3328 and below it is an outlined star with the capital letter "I" in the middle of it. I am wondering if someone altered it at some time. The last one I just purchased about a month ago is serial #13552 and it is an Army issued one and the barrel is roll marked S&W 38 MIL. The 38 Special cartridge will NOT fit in the cylinder and we are looking into it. So not sure if it was chambered for the 38 Long Colt or what. Hope that helps with your research on the barrel markings and all. I can send pictures later if you would like.