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Re: OP. Someone once described golf as a good walk spoiled. Sounds like a apt description of your range trip. Been there... done that. Thoroughly understand your disappointment.
Buffalo Bore has a reputation for making very good ammunition. Doubtless that influenced your decision to buy and use it in your revolvers. I have no experience w/ either Buffalo Bore ammunition or the 386 NG, but would assume that you have experience with both.
Is this the first time you've had a problem with this Buffalo Bore ammunition in your 386NG? If previous experience has been acceptable, it seems odd that results would suddenly change.
Doubtless the three rounds that failed to fire were well struck. But, how did the primers look before the rounds were tried in the 65 and 686? The reason I ask is that no matter what the primers looked like after attempted firing in the 386, what they looked like after attempted firing in the other two revolvers would be irrelevant. As an aside... occasionally I've run into ammunition that failed to fire in a revolver/pistol that I knew had always been 100% reliable. Attempting to fire those rounds in other revolvers/pistols only left the primers severely dented, no one single time did any of those rounds fire when tried in another firearm.
Over the years I've occasionally run up on problem ammunition. In rifle calibers, the manufacturer was notified. The ammunition was always returned at their request. They always replaced it with new ammunition that functioned correctly.
In the last several years I've had some MagTec ammunition that failed to fire... three rounds to be specific. All the rounds in the other boxes from that case fired normally. The only other incident I have seen involved a church member who fired some very old Remington .38 Special LRN in his Ruger Security-Six. One round was a squib. He put two more rounds into the barrel before he realized what had happened. The revolver was beyond repair. Ruger sent him a new GP-100. Remington paid for the revolver and sent him replacement ammunition of current manufacturer.
Your frustration is understandable. However your interests would almost certainly be better served by contacting Buffalo Bore and expressing your concerns in a calm and thoughtful manner. Doubtless they will want to know of the problem you experienced. As well they can reasonably be expected to do what they can to diagnose the cause of the problem and to fix it.
If you no longer consider you can depend upon their ammunition that is of course your decision. Logically you would be better served to let Buffalo Bore see what they can find out about the ammunition in question while you have a qualified gunsmith make sure there is no possible problem with your revolver. That will preclude your possibly have future problems with your revolver using other brands of high performance ammunition. JMHO. Sincerely. brucev.
Buffalo Bore has a reputation for making very good ammunition. Doubtless that influenced your decision to buy and use it in your revolvers. I have no experience w/ either Buffalo Bore ammunition or the 386 NG, but would assume that you have experience with both.
Is this the first time you've had a problem with this Buffalo Bore ammunition in your 386NG? If previous experience has been acceptable, it seems odd that results would suddenly change.
Doubtless the three rounds that failed to fire were well struck. But, how did the primers look before the rounds were tried in the 65 and 686? The reason I ask is that no matter what the primers looked like after attempted firing in the 386, what they looked like after attempted firing in the other two revolvers would be irrelevant. As an aside... occasionally I've run into ammunition that failed to fire in a revolver/pistol that I knew had always been 100% reliable. Attempting to fire those rounds in other revolvers/pistols only left the primers severely dented, no one single time did any of those rounds fire when tried in another firearm.
Over the years I've occasionally run up on problem ammunition. In rifle calibers, the manufacturer was notified. The ammunition was always returned at their request. They always replaced it with new ammunition that functioned correctly.
In the last several years I've had some MagTec ammunition that failed to fire... three rounds to be specific. All the rounds in the other boxes from that case fired normally. The only other incident I have seen involved a church member who fired some very old Remington .38 Special LRN in his Ruger Security-Six. One round was a squib. He put two more rounds into the barrel before he realized what had happened. The revolver was beyond repair. Ruger sent him a new GP-100. Remington paid for the revolver and sent him replacement ammunition of current manufacturer.
Your frustration is understandable. However your interests would almost certainly be better served by contacting Buffalo Bore and expressing your concerns in a calm and thoughtful manner. Doubtless they will want to know of the problem you experienced. As well they can reasonably be expected to do what they can to diagnose the cause of the problem and to fix it.
If you no longer consider you can depend upon their ammunition that is of course your decision. Logically you would be better served to let Buffalo Bore see what they can find out about the ammunition in question while you have a qualified gunsmith make sure there is no possible problem with your revolver. That will preclude your possibly have future problems with your revolver using other brands of high performance ammunition. JMHO. Sincerely. brucev.
Looks like to hardend primers just a tad to hard. It does happen if the machine that stamps out the primers aren't set to the exact right number to cause the primers to be to hard for it not to fire or to soft these days because of what the anti-gunners did in 2013 during the gun control debate the went in file 13.
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I stay away from Buffalo Bore simply because of the poor customer response they give to people when you reach out to them about issues. Has anyone here taken the time to go through the links that the OP posted and actually read some of the emails people are receiving from Buffalo Bore?
YES, we get it. Companies make mistakes, even the biggest of companies. But the true measure of a companies worth is the way they respond to issues when one does arise. If a business is careless and smug with their responses to people who are actually paying them money, imagine how they are towards their suppliers and their manufacturing process in general.
YES, we get it. Companies make mistakes, even the biggest of companies. But the true measure of a companies worth is the way they respond to issues when one does arise. If a business is careless and smug with their responses to people who are actually paying them money, imagine how they are towards their suppliers and their manufacturing process in general.
Don't open the package just refuse it Most places wont accept returned ammo refuse the shipment just to be on the safe side
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We're talking million of rounds and only a hand full of complaints that mostly are not the fault of the ammo. I don't know about you but that is a EXTREMELY good track record.
What ever the reason for the FTF there is a reasonable way to handle things and a unreasonable way to handle things
What ever the reason for the FTF there is a reasonable way to handle things and a unreasonable way to handle things
From everthing I've read.....
From everything I've read about BB, most people are pleased as punch with their product. I don't think they would want a batch of bad ammo out there. Give them a chance to replace it.
From everything I've read about BB, most people are pleased as punch with their product. I don't think they would want a batch of bad ammo out there. Give them a chance to replace it.
Last year I bought some .44 Special ammo from BB that was warranted for ALL .44 Special revolvers. After less than 10 rds. the yoke was sprung and the headspace off the charts. I contacted Tim via e-mail and he was TOTALLY professional & forthcoming with me. The firearms maker repaired the gun for free after I contacted them.
Or supposed emails that is, given the the very positive actions of BB to Boge I'm sure many others as well. There isn't any consistency here and there is much more to those one sided stories as is usually the case with even customers that I have seen first hand. Some people we have worked for even lied about us so they could run us under, yes there are some of those kind of people in the world. Not saying that the OP is the is way, just the links that are provided.
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Guys, I really can't blame the OP for being upset.
If he loaded 5 rounds in a J frame and 3 failed to fire in a SD situation, like he said, he could very well be dead. 3 rounds failing out of 10 is huge and very scary!
If he loaded 5 rounds in a J frame and 3 failed to fire in a SD situation, like he said, he could very well be dead. 3 rounds failing out of 10 is huge and very scary!
And here in is the problem. You had trouble with Remington and Winchester. In 2012 which was the last year I shot a full practice and match schedule I went through 25,000 rounds total for pistol,rifle and shotgun. At least 85% of ammo used was pistol ammo and of that 90% was WWB and the rest was Remington yellow box. Any problem experienced was directly related to the gun and not the ammo.
Our experience with ammo is directly related to the condition of our firearms from my experience.
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I don't see how Boge's experience supports your comment. He said the firearms maker ultimately fixed the issues that the faulty ammo from BB caused?
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