moving to NEVADA

vytoland

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each year it gets harder to deal with the winters here in chicagoland. ..with the extended snow and extreme cold temperature this January, I and my wife are seriously thinking about moving somewhere warmer (and for me more gun friendly)...

my wife likes to visit gambling casinos, so the first place that came to mind is ..las vegas or Henderson Nevada...

so a few questions to all the S&W Forum Nevada dwellers.......what are the better areas (zip codes if you have them) to live in las vegas or Henderson..........gimme ALL the pros and cons (mostly the cons) of living there....

now I got to go and pack up my S&W revolvers and ammo....
 
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You might think about Reno...Vegas/Henderson is a bit congested/restricted.
 
Vegas area gets hot. Reno/Carson area gets winter about 3/4 as bad as chicago. The weather in the west is all about elevation. The higher the elevation the cooler and greener. Personaly, I would rent for awhile and drive around the state in all seasons. We live at cedar city utah. Thats about a 175 miles E by NE of vegas. We are at 6,000 ft. I was raised in central wisconsin and at our elevation the weather isnt a whole lot different than wisconsin. However if we want it warmer we just drive down to st george or mesquite nevada. Mesquite Nevada is about 85 miles and the weather is like vegas. Its a booming still small city with casinos etc. If I didnt want to live in the reno area and could take the heat in summer I would definetly check out mesquite nevada. Its on the east border of nevada/arizona. I-15 go`s from vegas through mesquite on north through salt lake. In mesquite you can drive up to 11,000 feet near where we live and be in beautiful cool wild country. Mesquite is still a small city but st george utah is 40 miles up the freeway and has everything. St george is halfwy between us and Mesquite. Zion natioal park is just out of st george and bryce canyon NP is just beyound that. This is almost all BLM country, and many trails to ride with ATV`s etc. I like mesquite and gambling but if I lived there I would be wearing a barrel.
 
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Check out Kingman, AZ. I moved here a year ago and love it. Gun loving town, 30 minutes from Laughlin, NV, 90 miles from Vegas, open desert for shooting, great rifle range, and indoor ranges as well. A lot cooler than Vegas, and less restrictions on guns and shooting. Open carry is legal, concealed carry legal without a CCW. Close to good fishing and hunting.
 
There are just too many humanoids down in Clark county , NV. And it get gets really, really hot! Sometimes in mid summer it never gets below 90.
Renting sounds good to me, too. I am thinking you should check out the Carson City area. Latitude and altitude. The weathers is a little cold there but not like where you are now. You do realize that with the growth of the Indian casinos, we have casinos just about everywhere out west. I got one
About 4 miles north of my house. The Utah towns are all nice as The Feral one explained. If I was going to move again, which I am not, I would go to AZ. Not the ovens Tucson and Phoenix, but a little farther North. Like Payson, Prescott, Cottonwood. Like Feral said, get some altitude to cool down. Too much and you may be too cool. Like Flagstaff, wonderful town. Probably too cold for me. I also like Show low. We got pretty good weather here in Albuquerque. Recently there was a story about millionaires moving here because of the weather and relatively inexpensive houses. Bottom line is- come on out and look for yourself,
 
Las Vegas is stupid hot in the summer (117°F last July) but can have freeze warnings in the winter. Granted we never have winters like Chicago, but the homes and irrigation systems are not set up for hard freezes.

John Galt is quite right, water is an issue and will continue to be so while the drought in the West continues. If you like having a lush yard, it will cost you. Some of those who came from the East and mid-west during the 80s and 90s have been strident in their opposition to watering restrictions and the ever increasing cost of water. Tripling the population since that time has hardly helped, either.

As for where to live, be aware that nearly all the decent places have HOA's. If you don't like HOA's, you will find the available real estate GREATLY reduced. Summerlin on the West side of the valley is one of the top master planned communities in the US. There are several senior (55+) only communities in the Vegas valley if you qualify. In Henderson there is the Green Valley area which is quite nice and, if you have the money, Lake Las Vegas.

Look closely at health care. Nevada has a small population and healthcare choices are slim in some disciplines. Car insurance and registration are pretty steep here. You can determine how much your vehicles will cost to register at the Nevada DMV site.

Lee mentioned Kingman. It has all those things going for it, but its petty crime rate is through the roof, partly due to I-40 running through the middle, partly due to meth being an issue as it is in many small desert towns. Choose your neighbourhood wisely.

I am reluctant to move to Arizona due to them not having Daylight Savings time. Sundown at 8pm in the middle of summer does not fly for me. Vegas is no better, which is why I will likely retire to S Utah or S Idaho come the time.
 
Lee mentioned Kingman. It has all those things going for it, but its petty crime rate is through the roof, partly due to I-40 running through the middle, partly due to meth being an issue as it is in many small desert towns. Choose your neighbourhood wisely.

Boy, that's news to me! Haven't seen that in the 11 months I have been here. No gangs, no graffiti, and not much to read about in the local paper. I feel a lot safer here walking around at night than I do walking the Strip in Vegas.

The elevation is 3500 feet so summers are a lot cooler, and the winters aren't that cold either. My property tax on a 2200sqft house was $500 last year, my water bill runs about $22.00 a month for 5000 gallons...and there are no restrictions or "No Water" days.
 
I was born and raised in LV. My wife was born and raised in upper Michigan. We live here because of my investments. She likes it here better than I do. I would live in Reno, Elko or Ely given the chance. All those places have snow and much cooler winters than the Vegas Valley does. My wife says that she never wants to see snow that has to be shoveled off her driveway again for the rest of her life.

Renting for a while is a good idea. LV does have high property taxes and vehicle expenses. But, this is the land of great restaurants and an ever changing entertainment venue. Lake Mead is just to the East of LV and provides a boat owner with some of the best recreational boating and fishing in the USA. A growing possibility is the area of Pahrump, NV some 60 miles to the west of LV. It is higher and slightly cooler. It has very reasonable housing both rental and purchase. If you like exploring desert and desert mountains it makes a great base. Pahrump is in Nye County, not Clark County and therefore has much lower taxes and fewer restrictions. Pahrump is the home of Front Sight. Mesquite, NV is thriving and growing. It is lower than LV and is slightly hotter and more humid during the summer. I like Mesquite, but not during the summer. Southern Utah is known as "Color County". There are more geological attractions there than you can believe. Lake Powell is not an unreasonable drive and is to be seen to be believed. St. George is becoming a haven for retirees. Again, if off-road exploration is your thing, it is a great base.

If you have specific questions, feel free to PM me with them. I will try to answer with as little bias as possible. .............. Big Cholla
 
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attn vytoland

I live about 15 minutes from poster big cholla but we've never met. A few subjects the other Silver Staters have not mentioned, in no specific order.

Las Vegas and unincorporated Clark County are subject to handgun registration for purchase/transfer of a handgun. Most LGS dealers will do this for you, including some in Henderson. Otherwise, one must register the gun in person at a Metro station. Not having lived in Henderson or North Las Vegas, I do not have specifics about these cities, the other posters have been here longer than my almost 4 years.

Political scene is in flux: the area is becoming more 'blue' by the day. We have local legislators who only seek to represent illegal aliens, rather than lawful U.S. citizens. I have read that Denver has become "L.A. East." I believe we will go that route also. Big controversy of late with the 1/1/14 roll-out of "driver ID' cards for undocumented aliens. Much anger and hostility since DMV has not allowed for the flood of registrants and waiting times are in the neighborhood of 4 hours plus.

The so-called Downtown Project sponsored by Zappo's honcho Tony Hsieh, while city 'fathers' are wild about it, promises to further the 'blue' influence in the area and increase anti-gun sentiment. One does not build a city by spending $350 million of one's $, but the fathers let him have his way.

Do NOT come here to gamble. I did. I am (was) a HEAVY high-level, fully-comped player and can say without the shadow of a doubt that the machines tightened in July of '10. Nobody wins anymore, not even an 'advantage player' like myself. How many thousands are you prepared to lose on any day? End of story.

Driving can be dangerous. Of course, I'm a subway guy from NYC originally and can probably be classified as an amateur driver, but there are moments I would rather be in the subway at 2AM than on the roads here. The dangers are more visible.

You can PM me also, if need be, and don't mind waiting several hours for a reply.
 
One thing not said until now is your health insurance. I didnt bother to check that out before moving here to utah. I am okay but when I left california insurance back there for her in 2004 was cheap due to us having a HMO through the company I retired from. I went from about $60s a month on her and now its close to $800s a month just for her!! I barely get a company retirement check anymore! Thats because there isnt HMO here, just PPO. The other huge thing here in utah is they tax my retirement. A lot of other states dont. Now property tax and auto tax etc aint bad. I guess there is no perfect place to live as all get you on one thing or another.
For the most part what I like is plenty of land to roam. BLM land where there aren't no trespassing signs every 50 yards. About sundown today we drove 15 miles up the road to parawan for supper and counted a couple hundred deer. Getting a CCW permit is easy, have open carry anyway. Like Big Cholla said, we live in what is known as "Color Country".
In 45 minuets or so I can be in these extreams of pictures that I am posting. Mesquite is a hour and a half away when we want to gamble and eat well for next to nothing. The first picture was right out of mesquite, the others are all within 45 minuets one way or the other from us at cedar city. Variety is the spice of life.






 
Hey "k": Let's get together. For some reason I thought you lived clear over on the NW side of the Valley. PM me and let's get a coffee or something stronger. ............ Big Cholla
 
I'll toss a few more thoughts into the pot. I'm in Henderson. I'm also retired, so I'm approaching things from that slant.

Vegas has many high crime areas. We have plenty of scam artists, bangers, druggies, homeless, petty criminals, and so on. More than our share due to the lure of Sin City. Do due diligence on where you want to live. You'll pay more for a nicer neighborhood, but your peace of mind will be substantially greater. I belong to a local gun forum and the stories posted by some of the guys who reside in the less desirable neighborhoods are mind blowing.

When we moved here, I searched and explored for two years prior to buying a place. We ended up in Anthem in Henderson. It's an age restricted community. Each neighborhood has an HOA run by old fogies who watch for weeds and God forbid - the dreaded unpruned bush! It's also an extremely safe area where you can walk your little foo foo dog at 2 in the morning without fear. The advantage of an age restricted / out of the mainstream neighborhood is non-resisdents stick out like the proverbial sore thumb. I picked a neighborhood off the beaten path, and appreciate that decision more each day. We seldom get people up here who don't belong. And each neighborhood seems to have a few of those weed hating old fogies who gaze out their windows all day long keeping an eye on things. If they see someone who doesn't look right, they're on the phone to the po po even faster than they fill out those weed reports. Bless 'em.

The Anthem area of Henderson is high in elevation. Maybe a dozen miles off the strip but around 1500 feet higher. Good views and no risk of flooding. Once in a great while a touch of snow in the winter.

And yeah, it's hot. Around June we break a hundred and stay there until September or October. A few 115 days each summer. Not "feels like" 115. We're talking stick your head in an over, fry an egg on the patio, honest 115. Lots of people run their errands early in the morning or wait til the sun goes down during the summer. Being a 24 hour town, many markets are open 24 hours.

Course the winters are a little more tolerable than many places. We've had a mild winter this year and I've been wearing tee shirts for the last couple weeks. Temps this month have been in the 60s most days, hitting 70 once or twice. Makes the reports I keep hearing about snow and such back east kinda hard to relate to. ;)

And no green. Forget lawns and forests. Think desert landscaping with rock hardscape and desert plants on drip irrigation. Accept the numerous varieties of cactus into your life and bid farewell to seasonal flower gardens. The heat is just too brutal on most plants. My wife keeps a rose in a pot in our courtyard, and it's so sad looking come August you just want to put it out of it's misery. I've had several neighbors that didn't like the dry hot climate, or missed the green, and went back where they came from after a couple years. Me, I love the heat and desert. But some find the adjustment to be too much to take.

Plenty of nice air conditioned casinos. More buffet offers than I can take advantage of and still maintain movement. Lots of decent restaurants. We get all the headliners performing on the strip. And many casinos have movie theaters, bowling alleys and live entertainment in their lounges.

Oh, one more thing. My buddy and I go shooting year round. From my driveway to our shooting spot in the desert, twenty minutes. :D
 
THANK YOU all for your very helpful ideas....as some have suggested, we will be "doing our homework", renting and looking around for awhile, before jumping into the desert.

I think my main concern is excellent health care facilities and doctors..right now we enjoy a high standard.. and as "playtheaces" mentioned a SAFE, enjoyable neighborhood....

the high summer heat should not be a problem for us...........if we want to go to the store now, first you put on several layers of clothing, struggle to get the front door open just enough to grab the snow shovel stationed outside the door and clear a path to the garage to get to the snow blower to clear the driveway. then back the car out of the garage, and let it warm up for several minutes and then you can proceed from there.....sigh

my parents lived in the phoenix AZ area for decades and I visited often, so I am aware of the summer temps. I just need to buy more t shirt and shorts....

I will probably be getting in touch with some of you for more info and this idea progresses....
 
Just start taking warfarin. It will thin your blood and let you take the heat better. Works for me. All my working life in california I suffered on the high dessert. Then after retirement I got a pulmonary embolism and have to take warfarin. Now I am cold all the time. The wife is hot and sweats while I am wanting to turn the heater up.
 
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