Having a backup gun available when a favorite firearm breaks makes the wait a whole lot easier.
MP 15-22, a good buy?
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Having a backup gun available when a favorite firearm breaks makes the wait a whole lot easier.
I don't agree with your visit to GM. I purchased my AR15-22 from GM. After about 3 mags of shooting, the extractor went missing, and the gun started jamming!!! After I came home and cleaned the rifle, I took it back to GM to see what they can do for me. They took the bolt out, and said, "Looks like you're extractor is missing." I played stupid and say what's an extractor?? They went to the floor and got the display one, pull the bolt out and showed it to me. I said "Ohhhh". Then the gun manager took out the bolt in my gun, and replaced it with the bolt from the floor display. He apologized about the mishap and sent me on my way.
That's customer service if you ask me!!!
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Having a backup gun available when a favorite firearm breaks makes the wait a whole lot easier.
Yeah well thats why I want to get that M&P .40 now.
You seem lucky enough to have a decent GM by you. My Gander Mountain didn't do anything like that, and they didn't even give me any restitution. When I picked up my rifle they were nice about it but with all the money I spent on gas I expected them to give me something for my troubles, like a free box of Federal Bulk.
Yeah well thats why I want to get that M&P .40 now.
You seem lucky enough to have a decent GM by you. My Gander Mountain didn't do anything like that, and they didn't even give me any restitution. When I picked up my rifle they were nice about it but with all the money I spent on gas I expected them to give me something for my troubles, like a free box of Federal Bulk.
That M&P 40 is a nice gun. I think the M&P 9 is better because it is cheaper to shoot. JMHO.
The Gander Mountain I got mine from was ok. When my extractor broke the first time, they ended up pulling parts out of another 15-22 to fix mine. That part lasted about 2 weeks till it blew out. So ended up sending to S&W and got fixed correctly. GM did give me a couple of $10.00 off coupons for my troubles.
That M&P 40 is a nice gun. I think the M&P 9 is better because it is cheaper to shoot. JMHO.
The Gander Mountain I got mine from was ok. When my extractor broke the first time, they ended up pulling parts out of another 15-22 to fix mine. That part lasted about 2 weeks till it blew out. So ended up sending to S&W and got fixed correctly. GM did give me a couple of $10.00 off coupons for my troubles.
Yeah I considered the 9mm but I want to buy this gun for home defense, the .40 round from what I have read performs just like the 9mm but it has 50% more stopping power. I am trying to find out the price of .40 ammo as we speak. In the end I think it was best my rifle was sent back because I would be steaming if I had to spend another small fortune driving back and forth between GM. Still though GM should have gave me something for my troubles like S&W did.
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Yeah well thats why I want to get that M&P .40 now.
You seem lucky enough to have a decent GM by you. My Gander Mountain didn't do anything like that, and they didn't even give me any restitution. When I picked up my rifle they were nice about it but with all the money I spent on gas I expected them to give me something for my troubles, like a free box of Federal Bulk.
Yeah, sucks they didnt give you anything for your troubles, they should have, The Manager i delt with at Academy where i got my 15-22 was awesome, we kept in contact from the time my gun left till i got it back, he even gave me 2 100rd boxes of Winchester Superx, and a hard plastic case to put my 15-22 in for my troubles, bout a 35 buck value all together. So i was happy!!!
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WOW you over payed lol, $500 are you serious? haha.. I've had mine for 2 months, no problems at all with my 15-22 it's the most reliable .22 I own, cycles all kinds of crap ammo I've put through it and I haven't cleaned it since the initial cleaning 700 rds ago and it still functions like a champ!
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The answer is, you don't have to. You can keep your non-cycling 15-22 in it's current condition forever.
It sucks that I had to return the rifle. However S&W fixed the rifle fast, and gave me a free magazine for my troubles. Now that I witnessed their awesome customer service I know any product I buy from them can be trusted to work or they will fix it at their own expense. It's a new rifle so as with any new product it should be expected that some will get lemons, however thats forgivable if the product is fixed fast and right the first time while costing me nothing.
Thats how I feel anyway.
Right now I am more pissed with Gander Mountain than anyone else. How could they not give me something for my troubles?
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My rifle has failed me again.
I took my M&P 15-22 out on the range today and the rifle started to have failure to feed issues from the first clip. I would pull the clip out and find the round facing straight up. This time I used CCI Mini-Mag (1260 FPS). I also tired the Federal's and had the same problem. The only things I can think of thats causing the problems is the weather. It was between 15-20 F on the range. Also the gun was a bit dirty, I put 400+ rounds through it the last time and didn't clean it. So what should I do? It's going to be too cold to visit the range for awhile so I am thinking of contacting S&W for shipping material and having them look at it. If it wasn't for all the crap going on in my life right now I might be more upset but I just don't have the time for it. Suggestions? Thanks.
I took my M&P 15-22 out on the range today and the rifle started to have failure to feed issues from the first clip. I would pull the clip out and find the round facing straight up. This time I used CCI Mini-Mag (1260 FPS). I also tired the Federal's and had the same problem. The only things I can think of thats causing the problems is the weather. It was between 15-20 F on the range. Also the gun was a bit dirty, I put 400+ rounds through it the last time and didn't clean it. So what should I do? It's going to be too cold to visit the range for awhile so I am thinking of contacting S&W for shipping material and having them look at it. If it wasn't for all the crap going on in my life right now I might be more upset but I just don't have the time for it. Suggestions? Thanks.
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That's a chronic issue among many 15-22s, even rifles having been to S&W for repair. I get about a half dozen +/- of the same thing out of 500rds of Fed Val Pack. I didn't read how often this is happening with your rifle but you might lower the rate by taking care in loading the 'magazine', but it's been a chronic problem.
Trust me when I say much care has been taken when I load the magazines. We load one round at a time and we only leave enough room to put one round in the magazine. I guess my best bet is to send the rifle back again? If so do you think S&W will send me packing material because I don't want to take the long trip to Gander Mountain again.
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if you still have the box it came in, just get some brown wrapping paper at walmart, by the school supplies, where the mailing stuff is, and wrap the box, and ship it off.
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Been checking your loading? I have problems when the magazines are loaded indifferently and end up like the one on the right.
-- Chuck
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Trust me when I say much care has been taken when I load the magazines. We load one round at a time and we only leave enough room to put one round in the magazine. I guess my best bet is to send the rifle back again? If so do you think S&W will send me packing material because I don't want to take the long trip to Gander Mountain again.
I believe you. I take my time loading the magazines and still have the same problem as you describe. I'm not sure you'll get much satisfaction sending it back once more to S&W. I've asked Beck27 and others who had the problem prior to sending it to S&W for repair and they have told me that the issue persists. That's why I haven't sent mine back...... yet.
Sigh, so S&W doesn't really have a fix for this problem? How long does the warranty last?
Been checking your loading? I have problems when the magazines are loaded indifferently and end up like the one on the right.
-- Chuck
Yes, none of my magazines looked like that.
I guess thats what I will be doing, but S&W has to pay for the shipping.
Sigh, so S&W doesn't really have a fix for this problem? How long does the warranty last?
Yes, none of my magazines looked like that.
I guess thats what I will be doing, but S&W has to pay for the shipping.
My "conspiracy theory" on this problem is that the ammo is slightly out of spec and larger than spec in case diameter. We are just talking .001s here. Different lots of ammo can vary just a bit, especially when shooting the bulk packs.
If you will take some time and read other rimfire forums, you will find that no manufacturer of the semi auto rimfires in this price range have all their products give 100% trouble free operation.
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There's a "vast" difference in cartridge overall legth based on the four sample lots I have on hand. Federal 40gr Target round nose is the longest and requires a lot of attention to detail to load.
-- Chuck
-- Chuck
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After reading 15 pages of THIS, I am going to brave the snow and cold here in western colo. and go shoot my new 15-22 so I can send it back as soon as possible, Because SUMMER is just around the corner and I would like it to be a RELIABLE companion by then!!!! LOL!!!
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LifeInPa,
Beck and Chuck are 100% right.
But that really does not explain the 15-22. Flat out... the 15-22 is a disappointment, IMO. Feed ramps cracking off... extractors snapping.... ejectors failing.... and accuracy on par with a slingshot.... And all this from a rifle with a "match grade barrel" for $500.... puuuuuulllllleeeeze. You have every right to kick and scream over what can properly be described as a POS compred to competitors. You gotta like the style enough to put up with the horrible substance. If not, trade it.
Beck and Chuck are 100% right.
But that really does not explain the 15-22. Flat out... the 15-22 is a disappointment, IMO. Feed ramps cracking off... extractors snapping.... ejectors failing.... and accuracy on par with a slingshot.... And all this from a rifle with a "match grade barrel" for $500.... puuuuuulllllleeeeze. You have every right to kick and scream over what can properly be described as a POS compred to competitors. You gotta like the style enough to put up with the horrible substance. If not, trade it.
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Poor accuracy?
Mine is more than happy to keep 90% rounds in a 9" circle at 50 yards with a 4MOA red dot sight. Standing. Non supported. Rapid fire at (say) 100 rounds per minute.
I've not benchrested the critter.
-- Chuck
Mine is more than happy to keep 90% rounds in a 9" circle at 50 yards with a 4MOA red dot sight. Standing. Non supported. Rapid fire at (say) 100 rounds per minute.
I've not benchrested the critter.
-- Chuck
I am disappointed with the reliability, but the accuracy is impressive. This is the first firearm I ever owned, and only the third or forth I have shot. Even with those handicaps I can put more than a few shots into the center of a target from 30 yards with just iron sights. I am hoping that my last visit to the range was just a fluke. Maybe I had too much lubrication on the internal components and the cold weather helped it fail. I will clean the rifle up and take it out the next time we have 50 F weather.
The only thing I'm dissapointed with so far is the accuracy. I have not had any other problems yet. Not one FTF or FTE. But time will tell. My stock 10/22 easily outshoots my 15-22. But my 10/22 is not nearly as fun, nor does it make a good traing aid for my standard AR. All in all, I love the 15-22, but It could use some serious improvements in the accuracy improvements.
I really need to get myself a bbl nut tool so that I can take a close look at the bbl to receiver fit. I really have trouble believing that the bbl is solely to blame for the sub par accuracy. I'm almost positive there is room for improvement with a little tweaking.
Accuracy problems? I thought I'd heard every complaint there is about the 15-22, but I hadn't heard about poor accuracy until now. I'm curious, how many of those complaining of poor accuracy are using some type of optic? I noticed immediatly when I picked up my 15-22 that the factory irons were junk. I've mounted a 2 MOA red dot and accuracy is supurb. Keep in mind the chamber in any semi auto will be a little sloppy, otherwise they won't extract reliably. The loose chamber *generally* leads to a decrease in accuracy vs a bolt gun. This is especially true for a rimfire.
What I'd like to see is someone mount a high end glass on the rail and shoot 100 rounds off a bench at 50yds. Then we'd see what the GUN (not the cheap canted factory sights) are capable of... Just my .02
What I'd like to see is someone mount a high end glass on the rail and shoot 100 rounds off a bench at 50yds. Then we'd see what the GUN (not the cheap canted factory sights) are capable of... Just my .02
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i've done this. i have mounted my second scope (6-24x now) on my 15-22. i'm going to shoot it and post results soon. i have several posts with pictures of targets shot at 50 yards off a bench with a 18x scope.
Update!
A couple of days ago, I mounted my Leupold Rifleman 3-9x40. I was almost sick with the results. The scope came off my modified 10/22 that is capable of shooting of shooting 1/4" groups at 25 yards. On the 15-22, I could only get about 1-1/2" at 25 yards. I've never ever had a 22 rifle that couldn't hold under an inch at 25 yards with a scope and good ammo.
I had trouble believing the scope is the problem, so just a half hour ago I decided to take a closer look at the 15-22. I squirted a little rem oil on the outside of the bbl extension where it mates up with the receiver on the inside and gave the bbl a little wiggle. Sure enough, I could see some oil being displaced as I wiggle the muzzle of the bbl. I found a bent up aluminum handle from a broken snow shovel and made a makeshift bbl nut tool. Damn bbl nut offered no resistance whatsoever when I spun it off. So I'm thinking it was not torqued down to spec, or didn't stay torqued to spec. After taking it apart, I checked the play between the bbl and the steel sleeve it sits in. I must say that I'm a little surprised just how much play there is between the bbl and the steel sleeve in the receiver. I can see that if the bbl isn't torqued down properly, and if the bbl nut does not make physical contact with the steel sleeve when torqued down, it could have some accuracy problems. Honestly, I was getting better groups with iron sights when it was brand new.
While I have it apart, I'll get some pictures posted of the parts. I'll also see if I can sketch up a quick diagram on how the bbl, handguard, and BBL nut interface so you can see what I'm talking about.
I think my next two steps are:
1- put the scope back on the 10/22 and verify that there isn't a problem with the scope. It's been a few months since I've shot the 10/22, so I want to eliminate the scope as a problem.
2- Once I've verified there's not a problem with the scope, I'm going to put it back together without the handguard. That way I can make sure that the bbl nut is contacting the sleeve and try to shoot for groups. Not sure how stable I can get it on the bench without an handguard and not resting the BBL on anything, but it's worth a shot.
A couple of days ago, I mounted my Leupold Rifleman 3-9x40. I was almost sick with the results. The scope came off my modified 10/22 that is capable of shooting of shooting 1/4" groups at 25 yards. On the 15-22, I could only get about 1-1/2" at 25 yards. I've never ever had a 22 rifle that couldn't hold under an inch at 25 yards with a scope and good ammo.
I had trouble believing the scope is the problem, so just a half hour ago I decided to take a closer look at the 15-22. I squirted a little rem oil on the outside of the bbl extension where it mates up with the receiver on the inside and gave the bbl a little wiggle. Sure enough, I could see some oil being displaced as I wiggle the muzzle of the bbl. I found a bent up aluminum handle from a broken snow shovel and made a makeshift bbl nut tool. Damn bbl nut offered no resistance whatsoever when I spun it off. So I'm thinking it was not torqued down to spec, or didn't stay torqued to spec. After taking it apart, I checked the play between the bbl and the steel sleeve it sits in. I must say that I'm a little surprised just how much play there is between the bbl and the steel sleeve in the receiver. I can see that if the bbl isn't torqued down properly, and if the bbl nut does not make physical contact with the steel sleeve when torqued down, it could have some accuracy problems. Honestly, I was getting better groups with iron sights when it was brand new.
While I have it apart, I'll get some pictures posted of the parts. I'll also see if I can sketch up a quick diagram on how the bbl, handguard, and BBL nut interface so you can see what I'm talking about.
I think my next two steps are:
1- put the scope back on the 10/22 and verify that there isn't a problem with the scope. It's been a few months since I've shot the 10/22, so I want to eliminate the scope as a problem.
2- Once I've verified there's not a problem with the scope, I'm going to put it back together without the handguard. That way I can make sure that the bbl nut is contacting the sleeve and try to shoot for groups. Not sure how stable I can get it on the bench without an handguard and not resting the BBL on anything, but it's worth a shot.
Great, can't wait to see the results!!
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