NAA 22 Thwarts Armed BLM Thugs

[mscampbell2734]

So, you're saying a "reasonable man" would not have felt his life was in imminent danger in the situation being discussed?

"Danger" and "fear of suffering an assault likely to result in death or serious bodily injury" are too entirely different things.

Bottom line is the courts have ruled a large unruly crowd are not in and off themselves a deadly force level threat.

An individual has to be able to articulate specific facts causing them to be in fear of suffering an assault likely to result in death or serious bodily injury. Again a crowd of loud jerks, even with guns, does not meet that level.

WHAT exactly is the crowd/person with the gun doing????

 

[ggibson511960]

The late Jeff Quinn of Gunblast fame shared his view of a .22 LR for self defense and deterrence of aggressors:

"If you go to pokin' holes in 'em they'll generally leave you alone."

Sage wisdom.

 

[Echo40]

I wonder if anyone who questions the potential incapacitating effects of .22LR let alone .22WMR would be willing to put their beliefs to the test for science.

Honestly, just have a camera rolling, a First-Aid Kit, a shot of Whiskey, and your Cellphone beside you, then take a NAA Mini Revolver (or whatever .22 Pistol you have handy) and shoot yourself once with it. It can be anywhere on your body you like, using any brand/type of ammo you like, but you have to shoot yourself once somewhere on your body. Seriously, you can even shoot yourself with a .22 Short. Then you can look right into the camera and describe how it feels, not to mention whether you'd be enthusiastic about being shot 4 more times with the same gun, particularly in the face or upper torso?

No? No takers, huh? Really, you sure? Well then, until you change your mind, please refrain from making any comments about how poor a .22 is for self-defense or how insignificant its wounding potential is, because somehow I doubt that if a tough guy like you can't even bear the thought of being shot with a .22 anywhere on their body, even if you got to pick where, then some cowardly urban terrorist who only has the guts to hassle someone if they're part of a crowd is going to be anymore willing to get shot than you are.

 

[Greyman50]

22 put me in hospital for a week back in 75. Friend with no correct handling experience had " unintended discharge" while reloading a cheap 22 single action. We were in back field on the farm shooting assorted pistols/ revolvers. Another friend and I ( both in Vietnam at same time)were Behind friend with 22 with our backs to him. All of a sudden I felt the round hit me in back, ride a rib around and stop under my arm. Reason it didn't come out was my BHP in shoulder holster. Long ride to hospital, x ray, injection in side, rolled on right side, had pretty nurse holding my hand when they jammed to tube into left lung area. Nurses eyes crossed when I about crushed her hand. No fun. After that I never went target shooting with anyone unless I knew they had training And lots of experience.

 

[delcrossv]

I wonder if anyone who questions the potential incapacitating effects of .22LR let alone .22WMR would be willing to put their beliefs to the test for science.

Honestly, just have a camera rolling, a First-Aid Kit, a shot of Whiskey, and your Cellphone beside you, then take a NAA Mini Revolver (or whatever .22 Pistol you have handy) and shoot yourself once with it. It can be anywhere on your body you like, using any brand/type of ammo you like, but you have to shoot yourself once somewhere on your body. Seriously, you can even shoot yourself with a .22 Short. Then you can look right into the camera and describe how it feels, not to mention whether you'd be enthusiastic about being shot 4 more times with the same gun, particularly in the face or upper torso?

No? No takers, huh? Really, you sure? Well then, until you change your mind, please refrain from making any comments about how poor a .22 is for self-defense or how insignificant its wounding potential is, because somehow I doubt that if a tough guy like you can't even bear the thought of being shot with a .22 anywhere on their body, even if you got to pick where, then some cowardly urban terrorist who only has the guts to hassle someone if they're part of a crowd is going to be anymore willing to get shot than you are.

If it's anything like stepping on a 16 penny nail, and I believe it would be, no thank you.

 

[waffles]

I wonder if anyone who questions the potential incapacitating effects of .22LR let alone .22WMR would be willing to put their beliefs to the test for science.

Honestly, just have a camera rolling, a First-Aid Kit, a shot of Whiskey, and your Cellphone beside you, then take a NAA Mini Revolver (or whatever .22 Pistol you have handy) and shoot yourself once with it. It can be anywhere on your body you like, using any brand/type of ammo you like, but you have to shoot yourself once somewhere on your body. Seriously, you can even shoot yourself with a .22 Short. Then you can look right into the camera and describe how it feels, not to mention whether you'd be enthusiastic about being shot 4 more times with the same gun, particularly in the face or upper torso?

No? No takers, huh? Really, you sure? Well then, until you change your mind, please refrain from making any comments about how poor a .22 is for self-defense or how insignificant its wounding potential is, because somehow I doubt that if a tough guy like you can't even bear the thought of being shot with a .22 anywhere on their body, even if you got to pick where, then some cowardly urban terrorist who only has the guts to hassle someone if they're part of a crowd is going to be anymore willing to get shot than you are.

I'm not going to let you hit me with a shoe, try to punch me with keys in your hands, or jab me with a "self-defense pen", but I'd also not rely on those methods.

Whether or not a .22lr is an adequate defensive implement is an absolutely valid topic for discussion on a gun board.

 

[oldbrownhat]

Not the first time someone has defended himself with an "iffy" firearm. Reminded me of an exploit by Samuel Chamberlain (1829-1908) from his "My Confession. Recollections of a Rogue." (Available online here.)

Here's his story, and a painting he did of the event:

 

[zeke]

Doing google search and examing photo's appears to show the woman armed with a pink gripped pistol. There is also a guy with man bun gripping what looks like a slung iwi tavor, while also carrying a holstered pistol. And another person open carrying a pistol.

The "protesters" appear to have the patrons boxed in. IMO this is way beyond simply harassing people.

A recipe for disaster and certainly raises the level of threat. What can't be heard are the various "discussions"

 

[TexasArmed]

I saw where two officers were suspended for calling BLM terrorists.
I wondered if that gun this guy had was a derringer? I think he needs
to rethink his elective carry. There were others at this incident who
were arrested for being felons carrying a firearm. I don't believe this
guy was arrested.

When all the looting began, I switched to carrying my 357 Smith & Wesson Magnum. It holds only 6 rounds. I have a nice holster that holds 3 extra cartridges on the side of the holster. I now carry it
all the time. Unfortunately the gun is so big it is pretty obvious it is
tucked underneath my shirt in the holster. This guy is very lucky
I think to have walked away from this incident with that little gun.

 

[CAJUNLAWYER]

NAAs are cool guns. I own a couple, but it is easy to misplace the little buggers.

Like this one, which my adorable pink haired daughter forgot was in her purse when she decided to stop in at a federal building to check on how to apply for a small business loan.

D'oh!

My daughter lost a couple of my swiss army knives that way going through airports on her way to sailing regattas! Unfortunataly her daddy was but a mere criminal defense attorney who did not have the stroke with TSA to get them back

 

[Buford57]

Without comment on the relative effectiveness of mouse guns or the state of the law (or minds of jurors) in any particular state regarding when the line between "fearful" and "in fear of imminent death or GBH" is crossed, let me just say that here and now is the appropriate place and time to consider such matters as whether I carry, what I carry, how I carry, why I carry and under what circumstances would I transition from carry to use. It will simplify the decisions that have to be made in fractions of seconds if the ones that can be considered in advance are settled beforehand.

 

[mscampbell2734]

Buford is absolutely correct.

Thinking through the what ifs, knowing the laws in your area, and having some sort of plan, NOT a detailed "fire 2, duck to my left and fire 2 more" but sort of verbal warning, draw, final verbal warning, shoot, disengage and evade etc, is vital.

Do it NOW. When the chairs and other objects are flying is not the time to be trying to remember what you read/what that boring instructor in your CCW class was talking about. Trying to come up with a plan when the stuff is flying will get you hurt.

 

[Borderboss]

The worrying about a potential charge of "brandishing" in this case is nonsense, in my not so humble opinion. When you have an angry mob overrunning a private space, the guns come out. No questions asked. To do otherwise is just plain foolish. I'm not going to wait for one of these miscreants to pull a gun they're openly carrying. They're demonstrating intent to harm. That's the only proof I need. And clearly that's true, otherwise someone would have had charges filed against them.

 

[somorris]

Just my $0.02 worth, but the "brandishing" of a weapon can sometimes (maybe often) prevent any further violence and should not be a felony anywhere. People are more polite when they know they can't mess with someone just because they are alone, older, etc. "Brandishing" felonies are (in my mind) ridiculous.

 

[Borderboss]

Just my $0.02 worth, but the "brandishing" of a weapon can sometimes (maybe often) prevent any further violence and should not be a felony anywhere. People are more polite when they know they can't mess with someone just because they are alone, older, etc. "Brandishing" felonies are (in my mind) ridiculous.

Agreed. There's a big difference between pointing a gun at someone and saying "give me your wallet" and pointing a gun at someone yelling angrily at you while they approach in a mob. The gun is a good way of accentuating you yelling at them to "stay the h*ck back".

 

[UncleEd]

Watched the video multiple times.

Only one with the drawn gun is the
white haired restaurant patron. I saw
no one pushing in toward him

If he'd shot someone, even unintentionally,
he would deserve a long, long prison
sentence.

As to the so-called BLM protesters being
armed, that is their right to keep and
bear arms, is it not? I saw none with
a gun in hand.

 

[SchemaEnigma]

Watched the video multiple times.

Only one with the drawn gun is the
white haired restaurant patron. I saw
no one pushing in toward him

If he'd shot someone, even unintentionally,
he would deserve a long, long prison
sentence.

As to the so-called BLM protesters being
armed, that is their right to keep and
bear arms, is it not? I saw none with
a gun in hand.

That video obviously did not record the entire thing, covering everyone. The police stated that both restaurant patrons and protesters were brandishing firearms.

Just because the video does not show it does not mean it did not happen.

 

[hyena]

Had a girlfriend whose brother carried an NAA .22 as a BUG for a while, a few years ago. Not for long, as I recall, and he traded it on something. We all went to the range and I handled it and shot it. It was larger than I expected. It didn't seem significantly smaller overall than an LCP. I know it is, because I looked up the dimensions, but it didn't seem like it, and I'd rather live with an extra inch and carry a .380 or get a .32 ACP.

She and I stayed friends, and had dinner last night, and discussed that incident. I believe she was of the mind she'd stay at her table and fight. Me....if I saw that mob marching towards the restaurant I'd get up, go through the restaurant and out the back door. I don't want to have to kill somebody for interrupting my dinner.

 

[sipowicz]

"I think we're gonna need a bigger boat."

 

[sigp220.45]

While I can't recommend it for others, brandishing has worked for me several times. Just gotta know what you're doing.