NC Highway Patrol "ditching" M&P357?
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Arik
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My response was to the below quotes. Not to what NCHP uses. Their budget and my budget are two different things. PASP used 45GAP. They can afford it. If I had their budget I'd be using the 7.5fk or 9x25 Dillon or 308 or.....
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So, are there any others here that like the .357 SIG as much as I do? BTW, my 1.0 .40 M&P has my .357 SIG barrel permanently (for now anyway) residing there and is 1 of 2 EDC firearms.
And i have no problem being wrong on price but I just don't see 357 being $12 or less per box
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gwpercle
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I'm still driving and I mean daily driving, the 1968 Chevelle I bought in 1979.Exactly the way I feel about someone buying a Chevy!
My 1955 and 1957 Fords Fairlane's , 1963 Ford Galaxie and 1978 Ford Fairmont (the worst car I ever owned) are all gone , worn out , rusted and in junk yard car heaven.
I bought the Chevy in 1979 from my Aunt who drove it every day to work. I've been driving it every day to work since that time..... I drove it to work this morning!
Don't try and sell me any more Fords....I'm not buying!!
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The thread IS about the NC Highway patrol. Your budget is your business, I don't have, or want control of it. As a NC resident I do have some interest in how the NCHP spends their money. And 357 sig, over .40 S&W does not rise to my interest levels in the difference in ammo price.
Arik
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Great but I was replying to someone else's question.
Price makes a great difference to me. In the last year I went through almost seven cases of 40. At the difference of $170 per case comes out to $1190. Quite a bit of money.
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Which post were you responding to?
I saw one quote you posted, along with mine, but it had nothing to do with how much money you spend on a caliber.
For me it is simple, if a person does not like a caliber, or thinks it is too expensive, then don't own it. Others, and other agencies will make their own minds up on cost to use criteria.
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I should have caught that, yes your right.
Sheet metal penetration and bullet performance was the deciding factor for at least one agency IIRC.
Nevermind........
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OLDSTER
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Sig .357 ???????
A couple years ago, our state patrol dumped their Glock 17s and went with the Sig 226 in that "boutique"(as so coined in post #2
) Sig .357 round. Lots of us old shooters and retired patrol friends have never understood that decision 
The only sensible reason we can come up with is the "more reliable feeding" of a shouldered round ??
A couple years ago, our state patrol dumped their Glock 17s and went with the Sig 226 in that "boutique"(as so coined in post #2
) Sig .357 round. Lots of us old shooters and retired patrol friends have never understood that decision The only sensible reason we can come up with is the "more reliable feeding" of a shouldered round ??
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Arik
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The question was "does anyone else like the....." I said no and gave my reasons
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Please explain how that is related to YOU liking, or not liking the 357 sig? IMO it has nothing to do with it, the question you claim you were answering was "does anyone else like the...". NOT does anyone else hate the 357 sig.
Two things this thread is about the decision of the NCHP. And personal choice is a personal decision, it does not need to be validated. Nor does others choice needs to be questioned.
For the record I own no guns that shoot .357 sig, nor do I have any ammo, nor do I reload for that caliber. I do have two .40 S&W handguns, but the choice was mine. I do not expect anyone to do what I do, I like being an individual.
Walt Sherrill
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Actually... the question "does anyone else like the..." elicited the answer NO, from Arik, along with an explanation about WHY he felt that way. He could not offer a simple NO, as he can't speak for EVERYONE -- just for himself. You seem to feel that response was off topic, but others participating offered information that was just as "off topic"...
I do know that the NCHP felt the .357 SIG round was more effective in penetrating windshields and car bodies than 9mm and .40 rounds, and that was a practical concern for the Highway Patrol here in NC. They continue to use that round in their SIG P229s. I don't think that performance issue -- the ability to penetrate windshields or car body panels -- is critically important for most civilians using the round for self defense for home defense.
I also know that soon after S&W was unable to resolve the NCHP's problems with their M&Ps firing .357 SIG, S&W discontinued offering models that fired that round in the M&P (and related) products.
If I had an M&P in .357 SIG that I liked a lot, I'd probably be looking for a .40 barrel or a 9mm conversion barrel, thinking that S&W knows something I don't know.
I love my 9mm M&P Pro (but I got it in trade, and it came with a bunch of Apex upgrades.)
I do know that the NCHP felt the .357 SIG round was more effective in penetrating windshields and car bodies than 9mm and .40 rounds, and that was a practical concern for the Highway Patrol here in NC. They continue to use that round in their SIG P229s. I don't think that performance issue -- the ability to penetrate windshields or car body panels -- is critically important for most civilians using the round for self defense for home defense.
I also know that soon after S&W was unable to resolve the NCHP's problems with their M&Ps firing .357 SIG, S&W discontinued offering models that fired that round in the M&P (and related) products.
If I had an M&P in .357 SIG that I liked a lot, I'd probably be looking for a .40 barrel or a 9mm conversion barrel, thinking that S&W knows something I don't know.
I love my 9mm M&P Pro (but I got it in trade, and it came with a bunch of Apex upgrades.)
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Disabled1
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If S&W knew that the M&P .357 SIG had problems and halted production of it, why did/do they continue to sell the factory .357 SIG barrel to other companies to sell?
Coaltminer
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Who cares. Yada, yada. SSDD GUN IS A GUN.
Who cares. Yada, yada. SSDD GUN IS A GUN.
Walt Sherrill
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Disabled1 said:
IF they did, you might want to know why they did that, too. Do you know that S&W is selling their (S&W M&P) barrels or S&W-made barrels based on the same basic design to other companies?
Every after-market barrel I've seen is typically marked with that company's brand, looks different, etc. I suspect that MidwayUSA and Brownells have inventories of S&W barrels, along with barrels for other vendors.
A lot of shooters HERE are clearly interested in continuing to use the .357 SIG round in their weapons -- and aren't put off by concerns about function problems experienced by the NC Highway Patrol... A lot of people using M&Ps in .357 SIG have NOT had problems; some have -- the same was true of the NCHP.
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Disabled1
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Whatever happened to the NCHP was with the original .357 SIG made M&P gun/frame, not the M&P.40 gun/frame, correct? My .357 SIG barrel resides in my M&P.40 1.0 gun/frame and has had NO issues, YET!
Rastoff
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S&W stopped production of the .357Sig because they weren't selling enough. They don't make the barrel any more.
Pisgah
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Another word -- kickbacks. Or, payola. Or how about, good ol' bribery?
Take it from one whose seen both sides of government procurement on local, state and federal levels.
