New S&W Model 19 Classic (No internal lock)

[Handgunner00]

Am considering the purchase of the new S&W Model 19 Classic - the most recent model without an internal lock. Is this model properly hot blued or does it wear a dull coating that has become all too common in recent years?

Thanks.

 

[Handgunner00]

Disregard. Found that these new Model 19 Classics come with a high-polished blue finish.

 

[Sgt. Buzzard]

Still, I'd really want to test the action carefully before purchase. Don't let that shiny gun sell yo.u

 

[Handgunner00]

Agree completely! I'm hesitant to make this purchase since I had problems with a new Model 19 from the first batch in the Classic Series that came out a couple of years ago. That model had a different SKU and UPC than today's model. It also had a black Cerakote finish and an internal lock. The earlier Model 19 Classic was identified as 19-9 where as today's Classic is a 19-10. So must wonder if the early issues with this Classic have been remedied and the production of the 19-10 can be considered "new and improved" or just "new and shiny."

 

[snw19_357]

I wasn't aware any of the original Model 19 (-9) Classics were Cerakote, the 4.25" or the two PC K-Comps.
The new 4" no lock 19-10 is blued. The 2.5" PC 19-10 is painted

 

[Engine49guy]

I wasn't aware any of the original Model 19 (-9) Classics were Cerakote, the 4.25" or the two PC K-Comps.
The new 4" no lock 19-10 is blued. The 2.5" PC 19-10 is painted

On the topic of current gun finishing picked up an AR15 with a barrel finished in that "Melonite" finish that SW uses on their Sport line barrels , looks shiney and black has me wondering if this is something that is or can be used on handguns?

 

[snw19_357]

I know they used to use Melonite on pistols. I had a 5946 with that finish and thought the M&P 1.0's were Melonite.

 

[Engine49guy]

The only way I can remember the terminology is the letter M and N are after eachother so Melonite is Nitride where Phosphate and Parkerizing both start with a P.

I notice the melonite barrels will leave a slight orange residue on a white oiled cloth after sitting a while so guessing its not as impervious to moisture and corrosion as parkerizing?

 

[Kal.38]

Honestly, You can get a fairly decent M19 dash whatever for around the same money.
Then you can enjoy the quality of a true classic. I see your pic is MACV, Welcome home brother.

 

[Riposte1]

It is likely just me, but I thought S&W really messed up the lines of the J, K and L frames with the lock and was hoping they would go back to the old classic K-frame look when they dropped that egregious device.

Then again, I hear the barrels are screwed in so tight you cant take them out and I've even heard of a few breaking off at the front of the frame - but that wasn't many and it may be from a particular lot.

Riposte

 

[Beju]

It is likely just me, but I thought S&W really messed up the lines of the J, K and L frames with the lock and was hoping they would go back to the old classic K-frame look when they dropped that egregious device.

Then again, I hear the barrels are screwed in so tight you cant take them out and I've even heard of a few breaking off at the front of the frame - but that wasn't many and it may be from a particular lot.

Riposte

IIRC, someone posted that in the new Mountain Guns, S&W used some of the space where the ILS was to add parts to be able to pass California's cocked hammer drop test requirement.

 

[BillyMagg]

Honestly, You can get a fairly decent M19 dash whatever for around the same money.
Then you can enjoy the quality of a true classic. I see your pic is MACV, Welcome home brother.

So, were you also MACV??

 

[bobsguns]

It is likely just me, but I thought S&W really messed up the lines of the J, K and L frames with the lock and was hoping they would go back to the old classic K-frame look when they dropped that egregious device.

I'm afraid that lock won't go away. Imagine the media outcry of "Smith has dropped a SAFETY feature! There'll be dead babies on every street now!" or words to that effect. Lord knows lawyers would salivate at the thought of a lawsuit on a shooting with a gun that had the lock dropped. Doesn't matter if the lock had ANY effect on the tragedy, a lawyer will still file suit.

It might be sad to say the best we can hope for is the Classic line & the lock delete kits (of which I have used many!).

 

[Trumpet]

I thought I saw on their social media that eventually all the locks would be gone.

 

[Thaddeus Beauregard]

IIRC, someone posted that in the new Mountain Guns, S&W used some of the space where the ILS was to add parts to be able to pass California's cocked hammer drop test requirement.

All of the new "no lock" guns have the new inertia drop safety device in the spot where the IL was for the CA and MA drop test requirement, except for the J-frame "no lock" guns that have no exposed hammer, and thus no risk of dropping the gun on a hammer.

 

[Handgunner00]

BillyMagg: I was in MACV 71`-72 deployed four months to Quang Gnai with the 2nd ARVN Division (an hour south of Chu Lai) and eight months up in Danang at the MACV I Corps HQ.

 

[-dW]

Melonie and nitride finishes are pretty much the same thing.. I believe Melionite is proprietary S&W.

 

[Beju]

On the topic of current gun finishing picked up an AR15 with a barrel finished in that "Melonite" finish that SW uses on their Sport line barrels , looks shiney and black has me wondering if this is something that is or can be used on handguns?

Yes, so long as you polish the surface beforehand, modern finishes like nitriding (Melonite is a trade name), PVD, and DLC can look fairly shiny.