New York Governor Cuomo Signs New Gun Regulations Into Law

[Sistema1927]

[sarcasm]I sure am glad that they are forcing those criminals to get background checks.[/sarcasm]

 

[dockmurgw]

So I spent a few minutes wading through article after article to try and get an idea of how many default proceeds there actually are a year. There's plenty out there on the subject, and opinions from one extreme to the other. After my eyes glazed over I settled on about 300,000 default proceeds a year, and about 4000 delayed denials a year where the attempt is made to retrieve guns that should not have been sold, with numbers creeping upward per year. One common theme is that the instant background check system is strained to the breaking point due to what else...insufficient funding. All the clichés aside, I am of the opinion that we are stuck with Brady and background checks, so its to our benefit to want a system that works as flawlessly as possible. Like it or not, the default sales statistic is all a NY politician needs to pass a law like the one just passed, and all the clichés in the world wont change a single opinion. So now I can at least understand why NY gun owners are stuck with this new law. Perhaps the solution to preventing the next state from getting stuck with one is for supposedly "gun friendly" Senators and Congressmen to shift a few bucks from corn for ethanol subsidies to properly funding the background check system, and denying anti gun politicians the excuse they use for extending past the 3 days. And yea I know I'm as popular here as the plague for saying this, but so be it.

 

[zogger]

I won't argue with your stats of 4000 delayed denials per year. Note that 4000 out of 300,000 delays is 1.3%. Which means over 98% of the delays were worthless!

Also, of those 4000, how many were due to "serious" issues and how many were just trivial stuff? What was found in those 4000 denials that was not already in the NICS system? Why wasn't that info already in NICS? As we learned about the former soldier who committed a mass shooting awhile back whose info the Military did not share with NICS, there seems to be a number of places where data is not getting into NICS as it should.

Just giving more $s to NICS probably won't solve anything. More $s to government programs never seems to fix anything. Especially if the issue is other agencies not sharing data with NICS as they should.

What is so important about extending the investigation time to 30 days? Why not 60 days? 6 months? A year? Forever? This is the slippery slope issue again. Progressives don't need facts to push for more gun laws. They just don't want citizens to be able to defend themselves. You can't reason with them!

 

[Gamecock]

No, dock. The solution is to get rid of it. It accomplishes NOTHING!

 

[Dvan34]

Well let's see how well that works? Guaranteed Gun Free Zones.

 

[zogger]

Interesting. I hadn't realized that they were aggesively trying to add data to NICS:

Millions of records added to federal background check system following passage of 2018 'Fix NICS' bill

 

[Practical]

Yes, any state can enact waiting periods, restrictions on how often purchases can be made, or enact laws that strengthen federal laws. States cannot simply ban ownership as that is protected by the second amendment (for now), but they can make purchasing and ownership a lengthy and onerous process as well as banning magazines and ammo as those items are not specifically mentioned in the Bill of Rights. I fear that our founders thought that common sense would prevail on such issues. Sadly, common sense died a long time ago, pretty sure I read its obituary somewhere.

You are wrong states can ban firearm types and accessories. Late justice Scalia warned us Heller ruling did not prohibit bans. California and NY assault weapons bans safe act and California roster limit your gun choose. When my registered assault weapon owners die their guns cant be passed down to heirs.

If all semiautomatic handguns are off the California approved roster only revolvers will be legal. The list gets shorter every year.

 

[Muss Muggins]

I believe there are multiple forum members who can explain to you that many, many different types of firearms are presently banned in the several states . . .

States cannot simply ban ownership as that is protected by the second amendment (for now), but they can make purchasing and ownership a lengthy and onerous process as well as banning magazines and ammo as those items are not specifically mentioned in the Bill of Rights.

 

[Wise_A]

A Message From Gun Owners in the Great State of New York:

*ahem* None of this matters in the slightest. We could not care less. Banning bump stocks that are already banned? Banning 3D printed guns? Mandating "safe storage" as an add-on charge in after-the-fact acidental shootings? 30 day wait for people that don't want to plug in their SSN on a 4473?

Sure. Fine. Whatever.

We are actually quite pleased with the largely inconsequential laws that our cretinous governor and moronic legislature have chosen. You know, instead of things that would have actually be inconvenient to us.

We are, however, disappointed that our governor has decided to exploit tragedy by signing easy, no-contest "victory lap" legislation. And of course, we feel that our elected representatives' time would have been better spent doing something about our state's stagnant economy, rising taxes, and rampant urban crime.

But hey--we can't all be superstars. Congratulations, Governor Cuomo, on your "participation".

 

[stansdds]

I guess all the legislators who took the time to vote got participation trophies too! LOL!

 

[Simson-Suhl]

1967, I have a friend who was charged with, and tried in Federal Court for the act of transfering a full auto firearm without paying the required tax. He as found to be not guilty by the jury. After this, every time he purchased a firearm he was in the delay mode. Once the store inquired 29/30 days later about his delay and the NCIS stated, "they were still checking." He had to hire a lawyer to obtain his CWP because neither the OK County Sheriff, OSBI, ATF, or the FBI had the outcome records of the trial. An OKC Police Major explained this to me. If you are found guilty, everyone knows about it. If you are found not guilty, no one cares.

 

[gman51]

"Teachers can't have guns in schools because more guns is not the answer".
Well making schools gun free zones if anything has probably caused schools to be targeted for mass shootings. Waiting periods to buy guns or disarming law abiding citizens has never been the answer either but they still are doing it. People having to lock up their guns and ammo must be in a separate place in their homes will not in any way stop mass killings. All that does is make people more vulnerable in their own homes to criminals and illegal law enforcement entry.
Bottom line is gun control isn't about saving lives, it is all about taking away 2nd Amendment rights making the people more vulnerable to control.

 

[Muss Muggins]

The UPIN process should, but might not, take care of this issue. I agree that nobody cares if you are ultimately declared innocent of a crime you were arrested for. . .

1967, I have a friend who was charged with, and tried in Federal Court for the act of transfering a full auto firearm without paying the required tax. He as found to be not guilty by the jury. After this, every time he purchased a firearm he was in the delay mode. Once the store inquired 29/30 days later about his delay and the NCIS stated, "they were still checking." He had to hire a lawyer to obtain his CWP because neither the OK County Sheriff, OSBI, ATF, or the FBI had the outcome records of the trial. An OKC Police Major explained this to me. If you are found guilty, everyone knows about it. If you are found not guilty, no one cares.

 

[ladder13]

A Message From Gun Owners in the Great State of New York:

*ahem* None of this matters in the slightest. We could not care less. Banning bump stocks that are already banned? Banning 3D printed guns? Mandating "safe storage" as an add-on charge in after-the-fact acidental shootings? 30 day wait for people that don't want to plug in their SSN on a 4473?

Sure. Fine. Whatever.

We are actually quite pleased with the largely inconsequential laws that our cretinous governor and moronic legislature have chosen. You know, instead of things that would have actually be inconvenient to us.

We are, however, disappointed that our governor has decided to exploit tragedy by signing easy, no-contest "victory lap" legislation. And of course, we feel that our elected representatives' time would have been better spent doing something about our state's stagnant economy, rising taxes, and rampant urban crime.

But hey--we can't all be superstars. Congratulations, Governor Cuomo, on your "participation".

File this under nothingburger. NYers haven't even registered some 95-96% of the "evil assault weapons" they were required to in 2013.

 

[GaryS]

My son has a similar story. In 2005, he was charged with assault. The case was dismissed a couple of months later.

In 2012 he moved to Alabama. He went to buy a gun and was "delayed" on the NICS charge. After three days, the FFL proceeded with the sale because NICS never got back to him.

A few months later he applied for his AL CCW. He went to the sheriff's office at the courthouse and applied. The application bounced back because the case was still "open" in NICS.

Fortunately, I was able to get over to the courthouse up here and get a copy of the docket sheet. I emailed that down to him and the clerk down there called the court up here to verify it. They issued his CCW permit, but advised him to try to get it cleared up.

I spent a lot of time up here on his behalf trying to get the record updated. In the meantime, he moved to SC. He applied for his CCW there and there was no hitch. It appears that the state finally, after 15 years, updated the info in the NICS database.

Yeah, that's the kind of system I want.

1967, I have a friend who was charged with, and tried in Federal Court for the act of transfering a full auto firearm without paying the required tax. He as found to be not guilty by the jury. After this, every time he purchased a firearm he was in the delay mode. Once the store inquired 29/30 days later about his delay and the NCIS stated, "they were still checking." He had to hire a lawyer to obtain his CWP because neither the OK County Sheriff, OSBI, ATF, or the FBI had the outcome records of the trial. An OKC Police Major explained this to me. If you are found guilty, everyone knows about it. If you are found not guilty, no one cares.

 

[stansdds]

Gary, I believe that is called "moving at the speed of government".