New York says "OOPS"

[jtpur]

As a retired cop, I too noticed, the more rounds one carried, the more fired. So yeah, if Mr Average only get seven to protect his wife, his five kids and himself, then Mr Joe Law gets the same. Anything less is discrimination, and a violation of equal protection under the law. If the law doesn't limit cop rounds, S&W, Ruger, KIMBER, Springfield etc should only offer seven round magazines. And every major manufacturer, should immediately move to TEXAS, or Florida, Oklahoma, or some other state that recognizes we still have a Constitution, although Florida is a bit flaky.

 

[gregintenn]

That, in my opinion, is the most fair part of the law. Government officials and employees should have tl live by the same laws as the tax payers who pay them.

 

[Aticus]

That, in my opinion, is the most fair part of the law. Government officials and employees should have tl live by the same laws as the tax payers who pay them.

Sir, are you saying that the nobles should live by the same rules as the serfs? Silly boy, government officials don't have to obey the rules, they are the ruling class!

 

[A1U]

That, in my opinion, is the most fair part of the law. Government officials and employees should have tl live by the same laws as the tax payers who pay them.

So the officers are called upon to protect the public from any and all threats should be put at disadvantage because the citizens are mad at the buffoons in the legislature? The "public" is not exposed to then same levels of risk, and it has nothing to do with "fair," it has to do with staying alive.


An easy statement to make when you are not called upon numerous times every work day to go to the threat that is almost always there instead of just being at home guarding against a threat that nearly never comes.

 

[jlrhiner]

So the officers are called upon to protect the public from any and all threats should be put at disadvantage because the citizens are mad at the buffoons in the legislature? The "public" is not exposed to then same levels of risk, and it has nothing to do with "fair," it has to do with staying alive.


An easy statement to make when you are not called upon numerous times every work day to go to the threat that is almost always there instead of just being at home guarding against a threat that nearly never comes.

Then do something about it! Tell your bosses, your reps and your senators how stupid it is.

 

[LostintheOzone]

I think they already know.

 

[gregintenn]

Then do something about it! Tell your bosses, your reps and your senators how stupid it is.

Thanks. That is a much more civil way of saying what I wanted to convey than I could come up with.

It ain't that big a deal until it happens to YOU.

 

[CoMF]

So the officers are called upon to protect the public from any and all threats should be put at disadvantage because the citizens are mad at the buffoons in the legislature? The "public" is not exposed to then same levels of risk, and it has nothing to do with "fair," it has to do with staying alive.


An easy statement to make when you are not called upon numerous times every work day to go to the threat that is almost always there instead of just being at home guarding against a threat that nearly never comes.

I mean no disrespect, but you do realize that this could be misconstrued to imply that you'd be perfectly okay with a law like this so long as it exempted law enforcement personnel, right?

I'm not accusing you of such, but I do agree with the other posters that your grievance should be directed towards the NY state legislature and not us. Furthermore, I would remind you to speak on behalf of ALL firearms owners and not just those who carry one as part of their job.

 

[Harrison]

NY Funny Thing

NY State has some crackerjack politicians, and the governor too. It was reported today that in the big hurry and rush to get a draconian anti-gun law passed, and signed, the Politicians and the governor neglected to exempt NY law enforcement. As it now stands NY police agencies come under the same restrictions as everyone else. That includes limits on magazine capacity or number of rounds allowed in a magazine. What I thought was funny was the comment made by the representative for the Police Benelovent Assoc. He said, but if the police are restricted to 7 round magazines, that means that the criminals will outgun us. I thought the whole point of the law was to keep criminals from having hi cap mags.

 

[jaykellogg]

He said, but if the police are restricted to 7 round magazines, that means that the criminals will outgun us.

Well, just arrest the rascals, Oh wait, this law only applies to law abiding citizens.

This is a fine kettle of fish, the Sheriff of Buncombe County, NC carries a full auto Glock 9mm and LEO's in NY state are limited to seven rounds.

 

[honda250xtrx]

So the officers are called upon to protect the public from any and all threats should be put at disadvantage because the citizens are mad at the buffoons in the legislature? The "public" is not exposed to then same levels of risk, and it has nothing to do with "fair," it has to do with staying alive.


An easy statement to make when you are not called upon numerous times every work day to go to the threat that is almost always there instead of just being at home guarding against a threat that nearly never comes.

well according to officials here in ny this is gonna solve our issues so it shouldnt make a difference how many bullets LEO's have you shouldnt (according to the government) need your weapons now

 

[tops]

What I thought was funny was the comment made by the representative for the Police Benelovent Assoc. He said, but if the police are restricted to 7 round magazines, that means that the criminals will outgun us. I thought the whole point of the law was to keep criminals from having hi cap mags.

They just admitted that their laws won't work. Larry

 

[V-35]

They just admitted that their laws won't work. Larry

Very Well Said !!!


Art

 

[venomballistics]

So the officers are called upon to protect the public from any and all threats should be put at disadvantage because the citizens are mad at the buffoons in the legislature? The "public" is not exposed to then same levels of risk, and it has nothing to do with "fair," it has to do with staying alive.


An easy statement to make when you are not called upon numerous times every work day to go to the threat that is almost always there instead of just being at home guarding against a threat that nearly never comes.

well if the legislature were a bit more thoughtful about the laws drafted and passed, the threat thats always there, just might be reduced a little.
bear in mind also, that those situations NYPD or really any department for that matter, that they respond to, are things citizens could, and should be responding to for themselves until such time they need you for backup and or assistance in sorting of the aftermath.
We the people are quickly returning to our roots on this.

 

[jtpur]

So the officers are called upon to protect the public from any and all threats should be put at disadvantage because the citizens are mad at the buffoons in the legislature? The "public" is not exposed to then same levels of risk, and it has nothing to do with "fair," it has to do with staying alive.


An easy statement to make when you are not called upon numerous times every work day to go to the threat that is almost always there instead of just being at home guarding against a threat that nearly never comes.

You got it right precisely! Sorry but if the civilians have to live with it so does the government. Cuomo runs around screaming "no body needs 10 rounds to shoot a deer. " Exactly, we Need ten to shoot bad guys unless there are 11 bad guys. I spent twenty years with a six shot revolver, had five gun fights and survived. Sorry so can you... But today, since semi automatics are so reliable, I' ll take the biggest gun I can, with the most rounds. What makes cops lives more valuable than my kids or the life of my wife.

Besides if the threat hardly ever comes you made an argument for less cops.

 

[Arik]

I know this is pure fantasy, but it would be very sweet justice if the gun manufacturers told the government purchasing departments in New York, that they will no longer sell guns to police departments with mags holding more than seven rounds.

Sauce for the goose...

Something like this did happen but not in NY. When the LAPD had a problem with their Barrett 50cal they called the company and the president basically said he wouldn't help them since they dont allow the public any 50 cal rifles

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[Old TexMex]

That must be "their fair share".

 

[CoMF]

Supposedly, amidst concerns from the New York City Patrolmen's Benevolent Association and other organizations, ol' Andy is now calling for an exemption for LEOs...

Cuomo, N.Y. Legislature plan to tweak gun law

I'm sorry, Guv, but why do the police NEED more than 7 rounds again? Especially in light of things like the Empire State Building incident and the fact that in 2006, according to a report by the NY Times, more than 20% of all OISs by the NYPD were negligent discharges.

Until police across NY start advocating on behalf of all firearms owners instead of just themselves, this essentially sums up how I feel about the whole bowl of wax:

 

[CoMF]

Update: Just for the lulz, I sent an E-mail to Gov. Cuomo's offices and Pat Lynch asking why police officers NEED more than seven rounds in their sidearms and why the current law cannot remain as drafted to limit the potential amount of stray bullets in OISs from wounding or killing innocent civilians, complete with plenty of data to back up my assertions. Because I'm snarky like that.

Sadly, I fear reflecting their own prejudices against them was a wasted effort, but I must admit it was very, very satisfying.

 

[ONeill]

A call to the local state troopers went as follows:

"I have questions about the new gun laws and I don't even know if you're the right..."
"We have no directives at this time. There's nothing I can tell you."
"Is there someone that does have information or answers?"
"Nope, they're going to point you towards us, and they don't give us any information. All I can tell you is that we're all running around with 7 rounds just like everyone else."
"Well that's what happens when you rush to pass dumb laws at midnight on a Tuesday!"
"Yeah, they're all happy patting each other on the back for a job well done, but they didn't do anything. Just made us a big poop sandwich."

This is the type of outstanding feedback lawmakers would have gotten from their own law enforcement agents had they actually tried doing things properly...