Newest Caliber Ever?

[rct269]

I honestly don't understand why manufacturers attempt to do this.

It's because the great unwashed has yet to realize "NEW & IMPROVED" translates to "Not yet proven to be defective.". Not only have they yet to realize this perennial truth, they never will-----thereby assuring the earth will keep on spinning----around and around and around-----thereby making work for street cleaners and those who feed upon them.

Sad but true------------

Ralph Tremaine

 

[Buick]

All around dumb move.

 

[BAM-BAM]

There's always the foreign market; countries where they can't have guns using military cartridges.

That said ....... we had record gun sales in the US last year.... 20,000,000+
It's a big market.

 

[Maddog 521]

I'm still stuck on the .45ACP and now the 30 Super Carry shows up. What do I do now?

 

[Dave Lively]

All around dumb move.

You are underestimating how well increased capacity sells.

Look at how many people retired their Shields and Glock 43s for something like the P365. How many people add Magguts springs and/or new base plates to get a few more rounds. Or buy aftermarket magazines of questionable reliability because they hold more rounds.

This will not replace 9mm as the most popular caliber for carry. It probably will not be a common law enforcement caliber either. But like the 10mm and 380 it will have enough fans in the civilian market to survive.

And it will generate additional sales for gun makers. A large part of gun sales are due to enthusiasts that are always in search of something new and different. Even if they already own all the small 9mm pistols they want a lot of enthusiasts might buy one in this caliber exactly because it is not another small 9mm.

I still think a lower powered cartridge for recoil sensitive shooters would have made more sense. But this cartridge has a lot more appeal in the market than things like the 45 GAP.

Not all new cartridges fail. In the rifle market the 300 Blackout and 6.5 Creedmore have not overtaken the 5.56 and 308 in popularity but they sell a lot of rifles and are not going to disappear anytime soon. Despite all the "what do we need this for" and "An answer to a question nobody asked" comments I saw when they first appeared. I never saw the need to buy a 300 BO or 6.5 CM to replace or supplement my existing 5.56 and 308 rifles. And likely will not buy a gun in 30 Super. But a lot of other people will.

 

[CH4]

Found this interesting....
NEW 30 Super Carry Handgun Caliber ⋆ Primer Peak

Given the current ammo/primer situation, I can't believe the big manufactures will usurp valuable production space to make this stuff, when they can't even get known sellers like the 38 spl and 357 on the shelves. As someone who works in the industry, I don't see us making it anytime soon, if ever. I can't wait to get to SHOT so I can chat with my buddies at Smith, Speer and any other involved suspects

Anyone here own something chambered for the .224 Valkyrie?

 

[Mike SC Hunter]

I predict the 30 Super Carry will someday be as big as the 45 GAP!

Don't forget to add the 356 TSW.

30 super is a 100 gr bullet at 1200 fps............Hmmm!.......That about equals the .32 H&R magnum.

 

[malph]

Given the current ammo/primer situation, I can't believe the big manufactures will usurp valuable production space to make this stuff, when they can't even get known sellers like the 38 spl and 357 on the shelves. As someone who works in the industry, I don't see us making it anytime soon, if ever. I can't wait to get to SHOT so I can chat with my buddies at Smith, Speer and any other involved suspects

Anyone here own something chambered for the .224 Valkyrie?

I think this new round is an attempt to capture some of that new shooter and female demographic that has grown like crazy over the last few years.

Us older guys still enjoying the revolver calibers are aging out a little.

How many of those new shooters are shooting .38s, 357s or even .45acp?

Granted there is a chicken and egg thing there because the ammo has been less available but my guess is new gun sales, primarily those to new shooters including 50% woman are not revolvers and .45acps.


This cartridge seems to be an attempt to reach those newer shooters who are not already heavily invested in other calibers.

Federal and Smith are looking at a changing of the guard and are attempting to get in front of it.

 

[keithhagan]

I'm glad that they went with a .312 projectile.

It's too bad that it's tapered instead of straight-wall.

 

[Engineer1911]

The cartridge is 30 M1 Carbine cut really short. Neck reaming may be necessary if military brass is used. My entire post is fabricated but I am a determined reloader that avoids new factory ammunition.

My last new caliber was 40S&W because so much brass was laying on the floor.

 

[Tu_S]

Guess I would need more information on the cartridge before passing judgement, but, my instincts are telling me whatever problem they think they are solving with this is something you can accomplish with an existing one and spending some time coming up with the proper load.

That being said, I suppose the problem could just be something the marketing department made up and then created a product to solve it.

 

[Narragansett]

I once told a dealer friend of mine that we had too many cartridges. He jumped down my throat, and said no such thing, but how many cartridges ( good ones ) have gone by the wayside. My guess is that this will too, and you will not be able to give the guns away.

I know I could live on a 22lr, a 6mm Remington, a 270 Win, and of course a 30 cal ( 308 or 30-06 ). If you need big game, the 375H&H has killed everything on the planet, is inherently accurate, and can be loaded way down to sub caliber performance. Me, I cannot take the recoil. Who needs the other 50 calibers out there? Forgot snipers. Many of them use the 300 Win. Mag( again, too much recoil for me).

As for handguns, 22lr, 357mag 45acp, and 44 mag. Not much of a semi auto guy

Just my .02

 

[edubbie]

I'd like to see more info on this before passing judgement. So far the only benefit I see is 2 more rounds.
I started with a .380 due to compactness (Taurus TCP), moved to a 9mm when I thought .380 wasn't enough, then moved to .40 when LE moved from 9 to 40, then to .45 with the Shield 45 (which I love) but now that ammo has made improvements over the years for a defense round, I'm mostly carrying .380 again. What I'd like to see is a resurgent of the 7.65mm (.32 ACP) cartridge. After all, if it's good enough for James Bond, it should be good enough for us, right??

 

[sigp220.45]

I'm always happy to see another cartridge. This one looks interesting.

Nobody has to buy it, and if nobody does it will go away.

But, I think it will sell. If you spend much time in gunstores you've seen the tableau: Husband who knows a little but not much, counter guy who probably knows less, wife who is humoring hubby by picking out a gun she'll shoot once. Wife picks up a few of the guns arrayed on the counter, all scary black plastic. Counter guy says: This new Super Carry holds more and kicks less! Wife says, ok cool. Hubby nods and pulls out the plastic.

 

[Grayfox]

This has been a hot topic on several gun forums. It seems that somebody let the cat out of the bag a bit early. Can't say for sure, but the formal announcement of this new caliber and all the specs is expected to be at the Shot Show in a couple of weeks.

Speculation so far is that its designed for the currently popular small or pocket sized pistols. Apparently you can squeeze one or two more rounds into the same size magazine as a 9mm. My real interest is how's the recoil? If its more comfortable to shoot than a standard 9mm or a blowback .380, I can see a market with women, elderly or disabled people.

But for now, its all just guesswork.

 

[PALADIN85020]

This cartridge might be fun in a carbine.

There is already a .30 that works pretty well in a carbine - or a Ruger Blackhawk...

It's called the .30 carbine.

John

 

[clang444]

Next from S&W is an 8 shot .30 Super Carry J frame that takes moon clips.

: )

 

[keithhagan]

Next from S&W is an 8 shot .30 Super Carry J frame that takes moon clips.

: )

In a j frame, it'd have to be a 6 shot, but stranger things have happened.

 

[minconrevo]

The decades are littered with "new" cartridge flops. This one looks like a thinned out 38 Super. That particular cartridge doesn't get the respect it deserves; with the correct bullet it's a good self defense choice. It and it's more powerful brother, 9 x 23, have more modest recoil than expected while producing substantial velocity.

We will see where this one goes. As others have mentioned, we are still looking for ammo on the shelves for calibers other than the mainline ones.

 

[minconrevo]

There is already a .30 that works pretty well in a carbine - or a Ruger Blackhawk...

It's called the .30 carbine.

John

Folks that have shot this particular cartridge/gun combo can tell you it's LOUD. Cartridge is loaded with powder much more suited for its use in a long gun.