amazingflapjack
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Check Florida law.
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In the name of not bouncing a shot off a window and killing Grandma Carmody down the street as she watches Jeopardy, some dude can have my TV.
Not my problem. I am not the police.
Literally, you're using "take me to jail" logic, dude.
Rastoff
US Veteran
Again, I hear you Dale, but if we break the law then we're criminals.
It's fun to talk bravely on the internet, but when it's you that will spend the rest of your life in prison, I hope you think twice before taking someone's life just because they stole a rock.
It's fun to talk bravely on the internet, but when it's you that will spend the rest of your life in prison, I hope you think twice before taking someone's life just because they stole a rock.
Shooting at a fleeing vehicle is dangerous legally even under circumstances where it is legal. If anything goes sideways and injures an uninvolved person, such as thru a vehicle crash, there could be substantial civil liability.
TomkinsSP
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Well, President Michael Dukakis answered this question already!
tenntex32
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As said in the movie Tombstone...….Well, bye.
What does the Prosecutor know about the law know in Florida anyways.
Dale
tenntex32
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As previously stated the clerk did not break Florida law.
Geez......is it a comprehension thing? Just post your address so everyone criminal can come take your "rocks."
Dale
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fredj338
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Let's see, theft, even robbery, is NOT killing or maiming someone & then running. In most states, fleeing a violent felony, putting the gen pop in danger, is justification to shoot at the fleeing felon.
As to LEO chasing people, again, in most jurisdictions, LEO will be told to stand down if the risk to the public exceeds the risk of the guy getting away., Yes, dept, cities, counties get sued for this stuff all the time. It is why the bad guys run. They know they are not likely to be chased if the risk is worth the reward. Far too many vigilante mindsets out there.
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Update as reported by TCPalm: Unclear if jewelry store employee will be charged for shooting teen
tenntex32
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Well of course they may be pressured into charging the clerk, as that's the case now with any gun-related story. They'll whine, cry, moan, and riot about the poor perp being a good kid right after putting a picture of the shot perp on TV when he was just 9yrs old.
Heck we have folks here who are probably rooting for it to happen it seems.
Dale
Heck we have folks here who are probably rooting for it to happen it seems.
Dale
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tenntex32
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Not a vigilante mindset, but why have laws if we aren't going to enforce them, or even worse disregard the law and still go after someone who acted within the law.
Folks are sick and tired of being the victims of crime and even more sicker of everyone making the perps out to be the victims. Last time I checked it wasn't convenient to tote a cop around with you all day and night.
I'm not out there acting as a vigilante, I'm just saying if someone acts within the confines of their existing laws who are we to judge them...…..especially if judging while from a state with more restrictive laws than the victim's? (The victim is the clerk by the way, in case you are having a hard time following.)
Dale
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That is exactly a vigilante mindset. You're not a cop. The clerk was not a cop.
tenntex32
Member
Cops...…..Civilians on Patrol.
If they hang the clerk out to dry will it make you happy? There's probably as much of a chance of that happening as not, even if he did act within the law.
Maybe we all should just let the criminals run amok as anyone attempting to fight back will be demonized as a crazed vigilante. How convenient for the criminals and their bleeding heart ilk. And we all know the bleeding hearts would never criminalize the police for simply doing their jobs...…...so why should we as "civilians" even attempt to defend ourselves, family, or property?
Dale
If they hang the clerk out to dry will it make you happy? There's probably as much of a chance of that happening as not, even if he did act within the law.
Maybe we all should just let the criminals run amok as anyone attempting to fight back will be demonized as a crazed vigilante. How convenient for the criminals and their bleeding heart ilk. And we all know the bleeding hearts would never criminalize the police for simply doing their jobs...…...so why should we as "civilians" even attempt to defend ourselves, family, or property?
Dale
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TomkinsSP
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We tried that already, it was called the 70s.
nachogrande
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WORKS FOR ME.
I thought he had his gun pointed at me from the car.[/QUOTE]
Getting it to work for a jury might be tougher.
I thought he had his gun pointed at me from the car.[/QUOTE]
Getting it to work for a jury might be tougher.
I once met a guy who'd shot a kid who was stealing stuff out of his garage. He didn't pull jail time, but told me he spent pretty much every penny he had on legal fees. Far more expense than anything the kid could have stolen from his garage. The kid lived luckily or it may have turned out worse.
shouldazagged
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My take: I do not own, nor have I ever owned, anything for which I would shoot and possibly kill another human being. If my life is in imminent danger, or someone close to me is in mortal peril, I will do whatever I have to do. That's very different, and I will be armed.
Things are cheap compared to human lives, and I am not nor have I ever been a police officer.
I would consider it the height of stupidity for me to fire at a fleeing thief, be he on foot or in a vehicle.
Sure, thieves are lowlifes. Certainly we could do with a lot fewer of them. But nobody has appointed me Lord High Executioner or Darwin's right hand man.
Again, threaten my life or attempt to inflict bodily harm, and all bets are off. I don't carry a gun as a fashion accessory, like some of the Wally World Commandos. But if somebody wants my wallet, I'm not going to center-punch him. If anybody here does feel justified in plugging a fleeing thief, I guess you can play by your rules, and consider me a Goody Two-Shoes to your heart's content.
I don't give a chilly damn what the law says--that's my law, and I've lived by it for a lot of years.
Things are cheap compared to human lives, and I am not nor have I ever been a police officer.
I would consider it the height of stupidity for me to fire at a fleeing thief, be he on foot or in a vehicle.
Sure, thieves are lowlifes. Certainly we could do with a lot fewer of them. But nobody has appointed me Lord High Executioner or Darwin's right hand man.
Again, threaten my life or attempt to inflict bodily harm, and all bets are off. I don't carry a gun as a fashion accessory, like some of the Wally World Commandos. But if somebody wants my wallet, I'm not going to center-punch him. If anybody here does feel justified in plugging a fleeing thief, I guess you can play by your rules, and consider me a Goody Two-Shoes to your heart's content.
I don't give a chilly damn what the law says--that's my law, and I've lived by it for a lot of years.
Rastoff
US Veteran
I couldn't agree more.
I'm actually surprised at how bloodthirsty some are. I agree with capital punishment if you can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt. I believe in defending yourself and family from imminent death or great bodily harm. I will not rejoice at the death of another human regardless of what they've done.
gman51
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I asked a person knowing gun laws if I could shoot a person to stop them from attempting to steal my truck at night.
He said it is not legal to use deadly force to protect property. Especially if the perp is not using deadly force against me. If the perp isn't armed then the shooting possibly could go bad for me in court. He said if I was to point a gun at the perp then the perp could say he feared for his life and then attack me in self defense. The DA and a jury could say I was the bad guy.
He said I should keep my distance but inform the perp the police were on their way. If the perp attempts to attack me at that time then I can be in fear for my life and possibly have reason to use deadly force.
Also as some said once the perps were going away from the store they were possibly no longer a deadly threat against the store manager/clerk. The way some laws read the clerk could possibly be charged with murder.
Bottom line is know the laws regarding use of deadly force and never draw your gun unless you have no alternative to escape harm or deadly force. There is a reason many LEOs never use their gun throughout their career on the job. Sad to say many LEOs have been killed because they thought they had control of the situation so didn't draw their weapon when they should have.
Bad thing hearing news about shootings is the story we hear is often lacking in facts. To often the news paints a very bad picture that is far from reality.
He said it is not legal to use deadly force to protect property. Especially if the perp is not using deadly force against me. If the perp isn't armed then the shooting possibly could go bad for me in court. He said if I was to point a gun at the perp then the perp could say he feared for his life and then attack me in self defense. The DA and a jury could say I was the bad guy.
He said I should keep my distance but inform the perp the police were on their way. If the perp attempts to attack me at that time then I can be in fear for my life and possibly have reason to use deadly force.
Also as some said once the perps were going away from the store they were possibly no longer a deadly threat against the store manager/clerk. The way some laws read the clerk could possibly be charged with murder.
Bottom line is know the laws regarding use of deadly force and never draw your gun unless you have no alternative to escape harm or deadly force. There is a reason many LEOs never use their gun throughout their career on the job. Sad to say many LEOs have been killed because they thought they had control of the situation so didn't draw their weapon when they should have.
Bad thing hearing news about shootings is the story we hear is often lacking in facts. To often the news paints a very bad picture that is far from reality.
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