Same phrase for a C&R FFL 03 license. You can dispose of a firearm, just not with a profit motive.
NOT RELOADING FOR FRIENDS
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Same phrase for a C&R FFL 03 license. You can dispose of a firearm, just not with a profit motive.
SweetMK
Member
I have made the "Use My Equipment" offer more than 20 times, over 20 years,,
NEVER once have I had a taker,,
People are just flat out lazy,, heck back in the 1970's there were numerous people that reloaded for free, and even supplied the components.
I used a guy like that until I moved, in 1974, he would load ALL the 22-250 I wanted, I would swap 10 boxes at a time.
He just loved reloading, and he had a job that allowed him to do it during working hours.
it helped pass the time.
After a couple batches, I did start running to GreenTops, and picked up the components.
He refused any money for the effort,,
The friendship parameters have changed, since then,,
NEVER once have I had a taker,,
People are just flat out lazy,, heck back in the 1970's there were numerous people that reloaded for free, and even supplied the components.
I used a guy like that until I moved, in 1974, he would load ALL the 22-250 I wanted, I would swap 10 boxes at a time.
He just loved reloading, and he had a job that allowed him to do it during working hours.
it helped pass the time.
After a couple batches, I did start running to GreenTops, and picked up the components.
He refused any money for the effort,,
The friendship parameters have changed, since then,,
kbm6893
Member
Clearly a double charge. When I started reloading 8 years ago, I bought a single stage press and weighed every charge. People said I’d get bored with it and move up to progressive presses and weighing every 10 charges or so. Hasn’t happened and never will. I weigh every single charge and seat the bullet immediately after I dump the powder. I might make a mistake reloading at some point, but it’s never gonna be an over charge or undercharge. I also use the same powder for pistol calibers so never gonna use the wrong powder. I have a different thrower for rifle.
I don’t make a habit of giving my reloads but if the person who shoots them is OK with it, I’m not worried I’m gonna blow up his gun.
As previously stated, loading ammunition for friends or family is not against the law, provided you’re not doing it for profit. Liability could be an issue if something goes wrong. I’ve given away lots of factory ammo to friends in need, but typically reserve reloaded ammo for myself. I’ve made exceptions for two people in 44 years of reloading and they were both my brothers. I’d do it again in a heartbeat if they need more custom loads for their hunting rifles.
My brothers and I are very close and I exercise extreme care reloading. The chances of blowing up one of their guns and getting sued is about as close to zero as your can get.
My brothers and I are very close and I exercise extreme care reloading. The chances of blowing up one of their guns and getting sued is about as close to zero as your can get.
Letting everyone load their own reloaded ammo and shoot it in their own firearms is the only true ZERO chance of liability.
There are very few people I will lend a car to. About the same number and imagine this just about the same people I would let have some hand loads.
I am not advocating for anyone to reload for anyone else. If you don't trust any of you friends to have good enough common sense to use them correctly in good equipment and believe they might sue you if something went wrong, I can understand that. I might wonder about your choice of friends a bit, but, just like the rest of it thats your business.
I have noticed that the RCBS jr press I have offered to others is still collecting dust. As I am a collector of lots of things shooting related and inherited my step dads reloading stuff I have plenty of gear. I am willing to lend some of it, help others cast bullets, explain and show them how to reload. The pawn shops always have dies and other stuff
Most people just don't shoot that much or want to make the effort.
The only way to have zero chance of liability in this world is to quit breathing. There is no such thing as Zero liability. I just try to keep my odds real low.
Like I said I create liability if I give away a piece of BBQed chicken. Somebody might choke on it or fall down the steps coming to the house. My home owners insurance does have limits. They could take everything!!!! But, I like to BBQ so I will accept the risks. Living life on the edge here.
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skwchock
US Veteran
You are right. I will allow my friends to reload, but I will not reload for them. liability...
Sarcasm about a subject important to many is just childish.
If I make a mistake, I'm responsible for only my safety and my guns. I have been reloading for a few decades and have no Kabooms yet but "caca occurs". I would feel pretty bad if my faux pas got into my friend's favorite semi-custom rifle and ruined it. Not counting financial responsibility, I have friends that I wouldn't want to harm. The same if I use others' reloads. Perhaps my friend, the one that has waay more reloading experience, had a cold or headache when he loaded some rounds and made one round that he misread the scale, or dropped a double charge. I'm sure he would feel bad if his reload ruined/harmed my gun. What if my friend stumbled across the huge elk buck, the shot of a lifetime, and he only had one of my reloads and his only chance was one shot and my load went 6" over the trophy buck's back?
I guess being concerned with our or other's safety (and with a very simple remedy) makes us "old school" or gruffy curmudgeons that obsess over small responsible actions, well add my name to the list! But this is still a free country and there are no laws stating one must be responsible or safe, so I'll continue to use my standards and you can use yours...
But I have already given the above post more attention than it deserves, so, I'm done...
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I don't share my reloads with anyone nor do I shoot anyone elses reloads.
For the same reason, no one packs my parachute for me, nor do I pack anyone elses.
For the same reason, no one packs my parachute for me, nor do I pack anyone elses.
S&W forever
Member
I like to eliminate any potential issues. I would feel really bad if someone got hurt more than the liability issues. Someone else mentioned that the family members of the friend could get involved as well if there was a fatality. To me, the juice ain't worth the squeeze. I have factory ammo that I will lend them if need be. What is the old saying "neither a borrower or lender be"
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STORMINORMAN
Member
Truer words were never spoken...
The actual definition of a "friend" seems to have been lost in many of the replies to this thread.
I find it very interesting as to the geographic locations associated with many of these responses: it would seem some locals are much more likely to be... Uh... "Litigious"?
The friendship parameters have changed, since then,,
The actual definition of a "friend" seems to have been lost in many of the replies to this thread.
I find it very interesting as to the geographic locations associated with many of these responses: it would seem some locals are much more likely to be... Uh... "Litigious"?
Liability
Every time you let another person into your car you have way more liability and risk than handing them some reloads. Just driving it is a huge risk.
If you think having liability insurance on your car means no worries there, think again. LOL. Now days the limits on that can be exceeded in one day of hospitalization and they can go after everything you have after they are done with your insurance. Had a friend who rear ended a woman. When she was done with his insurance she went after his house and wages. She did get all that much more, but his lawyer did very well. LOL That was inWA state
Around here a judge or jury wouldn't be that impressed. You asked him for the reloads? Yes. End of story.
Every time you let another person into your car you have way more liability and risk than handing them some reloads. Just driving it is a huge risk.
If you think having liability insurance on your car means no worries there, think again. LOL. Now days the limits on that can be exceeded in one day of hospitalization and they can go after everything you have after they are done with your insurance. Had a friend who rear ended a woman. When she was done with his insurance she went after his house and wages. She did get all that much more, but his lawyer did very well. LOL That was inWA state
Around here a judge or jury wouldn't be that impressed. You asked him for the reloads? Yes. End of story.
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BigBill
Absent Comrade
I only reload for my older brother when he was alive. My sons and my buddy shoot my reloads in my guns only.
Since 1986, or whenever it was, there has been no such thing as a cheap Mac 10, or a cheap any other full auto.
Never shoot somebody else's reloads cartridge or shotshell !!!!
I do the same thing with my tools. Want to borrow my chain saw " NO ". You got a limb that fell down, I'll be right over and cut it up for you
max503
Member
Like the OP, I've offered for people to come over and I'd show them how to reload but no one has taken me up either. And no, I'm not making bullets for anybody.
nbedford
Member
Boy howdy, thank goodness I'm in Arkansas. Sounds like Missouri ain't too bad either though.Yes I said that, didn't say it was in payment for however it was a donation for my effort...
Just received another 1000 rds of .223 brass today as a donation for my effort.
I'd also not give reloads to friends, but for the same reason as many, I'd hate to see my failure wreck their gun. However, I've absolutely given friends factory ammo in calibers I can reload for to make the up the difference myself.
Not directing this at anybody here but I see so many posts on gun forums lately about people told ya so-ing their friends who weren't interested in buying gun stuff prior to the election. I care about my friends, and if they need ammo (or even a gun, complying with all CO background check laws of course) to feel safe in a time they never thought they'd find themselves in, I'm happy to help out with that. I gave TP, masks, and hand sanitizer during the shortage, I'll help with home improvement projects when asked, help them move. Hell, I'll even show them my good fishing spots!
Not directing this at anybody here but I see so many posts on gun forums lately about people told ya so-ing their friends who weren't interested in buying gun stuff prior to the election. I care about my friends, and if they need ammo (or even a gun, complying with all CO background check laws of course) to feel safe in a time they never thought they'd find themselves in, I'm happy to help out with that. I gave TP, masks, and hand sanitizer during the shortage, I'll help with home improvement projects when asked, help them move. Hell, I'll even show them my good fishing spots!
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