Not shooting accurately

Took my M&P 2.0 to range for the first time, I was all over the target from the first shot, shooting at 7 yds the first shot barely clipped the left side of the target, judging from the reports i've read on the 2.0 and it's accuracy it's definitely not the pistol.Pretty obvious I need lessons.Ckd at the range where I shoot and they charge $75 per hour.Is this in line with what you guys have seen or paid,suggestions?Thanks.

Trigger is too gritty or tough to pull ./somewhat slapping the trigger ,because they are fairly accurate from MFG.JUS sayin.
 
I haven't tried the 2.0, but when we transitioned to the M&P 1.0 a lot of folks had issues with trigger control. They tended to lose patience and finish off the trigger stroke with a hearty yank (me included). The suggestion to do lots of dryfire is a good idea.
 
Never understood follow through
Understanding follow through also involves understanding why we miss.

Think of it this way, no one cares about the shot. Everyone cares about the result of the shot. With this in mind, think about how we act while practice shooting. We take a shot and look at the target to see where the shot hit. This isn't a problem as long as we shoot first and look second. Alas, we're so interested in seeing the results, we tend to look too quickly and take our eyes off the sights. This is a miss every time. Follow through fixes this issue.

Here's the correct shot sequence:
  1. Get proper sight alignment and sight picture.
  2. Keep focus on front sight.
  3. Press the trigger straight back.
  4. After recoil, obtain another sight picture. This is the second sight picture.
  5. Now, and only now, look to see where the holes are in the target.
It's the second sight picture that is the main component of follow through. By getting the second sight picture, you ensure your focus is not taken off the sights until after the shot is done. Every shot sequence includes one extra sight picture. So, if you take two shots, there are three sight pictures. Three shots, four sight pictures and so on.

Quality follow through will tighten your groups considerably. It will also improve accuracy.
 
I found this video on YouTube recently and it's got a LOT of good ideas and suggestions. In some respects, it's one of the best video on handgun technique (and training) I've seen. Give it a view:

HTTPS://youtu.be/nYzheuJE47E
Some of the ideas put forth seem conflicting, such as the ideas on trigger manipulation. I also disagree with the steps starting with "freeze". I believe that sight alignment and trigger manipulation need to be considered as two functions taking place together. The part regarding anticipation of recoil is good. I'm not sure about his take on dry firing. Most every top competitive shooter I've known have done extensive dry fire training and most continue even when they reach very high levels of proficiency. I do agree that training doesn't depend upon the amount of rounds fired, but how much is learned from each round fired. It is NOT the best video I've seen regarding handgun shooting.
 
Rastoff and others have given great advice. The only thing I could add is what the 'oldtimers' told me when I started shooting "Bullseye":

1) Put a black spot on your wall at home (a black paster is good) and dry fire at least 20 good shots a day at the spot.

2) Get an air pistol and practice with it at least one a week.

Of course every shot should be based on good stance, grip, sight alignment, sight picture, breath/trigger control and follow through.
 
Many years ago when I was a young man I joined a Bullseye Pistol League. I listened to every word the old timers said and asked a lot of questions. I was always there early and I also left late if they were still talking. It was great fun and I'm amazed to say the least.
 
BE Mike said:
Some of the ideas put forth seem conflicting, such as the ideas on trigger manipulation. I also disagree with the steps starting with "freeze". I believe that sight alignment and trigger manipulation need to be considered as two functions taking place together. ...

I don't see those ideas so much as conflicts with themselves as much as conflicts with the some of the many "received truths" of handgun training we've been exposed to over the years. The biggest thing I found appealing about that video was that it seemed to make to be much more focused on how the student might best learn rather than how to best teach the student what was on the list of training objectives.

There are a lot of experts out there and just about every expert seems to have his or her view of how things must be done and the best way to teach it, but darned few of them seem really focused on how the students might might most effectively learn what they are trying to teach.

Little things like how strongly you grip the gun when firing, doesn't seem to be consistently addressed across the board, nor does how to properly stroke the trigger and let it reset. Even how to manage a reload seems to vary from instructor to instructor, and whether to use the slide stop (or release) or some variation of a "sling shot" release is not uniformly presented. (There may be more consistency among NRA instructors on some of these points, but they're not the only ones out there teaching. Many instructors know how to present their topics, but far fewer of them are really teachers -- who are focused on the best way to teach their subject.

For me, that was the best part of the video -- its focus on the psychology of the learners. I think that was the reason for the video's recommendations to start non-shooters out with air pistols (particularly ones that look like the guns they'll eventually be shooting, and that makes great sense. If that's not easily done, then using .22s help. (And if you've got a .22 top end for the gun they'll later be shooting, so much the better!)

Managing the gun and the trigger remains relatively the same regardless of whether it's air-powered or powder-powered. What happens after the trigger is pulled is where differences really make themselves known -- but once the bullet or pellet is gone, that can be dealt with.

Sight alignment and trigger manipulation can be difficult -- and saying that you must do both at the same time is certainly true, but that TRUTH doesn't mean the two processes can't be mastered separately and then combined.

The Bullseye Pistol chart for Error Analysis and Correction was arguably created for folks who shoot with the strong hand only -- but most people who start into handguns seem to do that even when they use both hands. :) But, then, so do many, many experienced shooters! Using the Bullseye problem chart still makes sense for many two-handed shooters. But you don't hear that truth addressed much.

As you see in the Bullseye chart, squeezing the gun's grip tightly with the strong hand while also squeezing the trigger with that same hand can mis-align the gun. (It's hard to squeeze 3 of your finger and your thumb heavily, while lightly pressing a trigger.) Trying to hold the grip less tightly while pressing the trigger while also using that hand to position the gun can also cause a new handgun shooter problems.

One of the technical resources I hold in high regard is retired Sgt. Major Kyle Lamb (the columnist for Guns & Ammo ) who spent 15 (of his 21 Army) years in Delta Force. He was one of the Delta Force Operators on the ground in Mogadishu, the story told in the book and movie Black Hawk Down, and he also fought in Desert Storm, saw duty in Bosnia, and Iraq.

Lamb recommends gun positioning (for target acquisition) be done mostly with the weak hand and trigger management be done with the strong hand. For positioning the gun he says that maybe as much as 70% of the work should be done with the strong hand, and only 30% be done with the weak hand -- but he also knows that a different ratio might work better for some folks. That leaves most of the strong hand free to be focused on properly releasing/pressing/pulling the trigger.

I had never heard that approach recommended until relatively, yet I think it makes great sense! When I've taken classes -- only a few, to be sure -- how to hold the gun with the strong hand was addressed, but not how to use that hand to do anything but stay out of the way!
 
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It was your first time. Takes a few hundred rounds to get comfortable. It's a defensive pistol not a match grade target pistol. Here's some advice I heard years ago but can't remember where, "Aim small, miss small". Keep it on a pie plate and you will be a good Patriot.
 
I echo everyone suggesting dryfire practice, but take it a step further. A year or so ago I was still fairly new to shooting and decided I wanted a way to measure my progress. I chose to buy an iTargetPro. You buy a laser cartridge which goes straight into the chamber, and an optional target sled. The target sled holds an 8.5x11 paper target and your cell phone. The cartridge has a "primer" which sets the laser off when hit by the striker. The free app records where the laser hits. It's not a perfect system but it has helped me a lot. You can practice precision slow fire or quick draw time. $98 isn't cheap for a laser, but I also figured it doesn't take long to shoot that much in ammo.

iTarget Laser Training System | iTarget
 
Walt, if you look at the video again, you'll see that early on, one method of trigger manipulation is suggested and later on a different form is presented. All private shooting schools say that they have THE answer. Much of it involves technique. There are many techniques that lead to success. That doesn't mean that any one of them are wrong. I'm not a big fan of the "Wheel of Misfortune". It focuses on errors. I am more of a fan of positive training which focuses on what one does correctly and builds upon that.
 
Check out Gunfighter University. $15 a month and gives you access to the private Facebook group.

On the Gunfighter website you will be able to watch multiple videos on varying shooting topics broken down and analyzed by John "Shrek" McPhee who was a SGM in Delta Force.

Lots of good stuff, and the private group allows you to interact with John and his many students.

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I'm not a big fan of the "Wheel of Misfortune". It focuses on errors. I am more of a fan of positive training which focuses on what one does correctly and builds upon that.

I'm also a fan of positive training, but seeing something wrong and showing the shooter how to avoid the problem is not a NEGATIVE training experience. In many cases, it's just an opportunity to emphasize the values of a proper technique. And it will only be punishment if the instructor uses it as an opportunity to be abuse the trainee or to to prove to the "audience" (i.e., the students) just how good he is and how much he knows. (I've seen that more than than a few times, over the years.)

I think the video I mentioned does a good job of helping shooters have a very positive training experience -- more so than some classes I've participated in or observed. (And then there's the training I got in the military...)

Working ONLY on positive behaviors is essential with animals (like a new dog or a puppy) where you can't really discuss or explain what's intended, or get the "trainee" to tell you what they think they're doing. Positive experiences are important, and proper feedback, even when its about negative results can be positively done with humans and can be positively received. And that can be far more direct and more quickly done than only reinforcing positive behaviors. That's not to say that you shouldn't be reinforcing positive behaviors -- you should.
 
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I'm also a fan of positive training, but seeing something wrong and showing the shooter how to avoid the problem is not a NEGATIVE training experience. In many cases, it's just an opportunity to emphasize the values of a proper technique. And it will only be punishment if the instructor uses it as an opportunity to be abuse the trainee or to to prove to the "audience" (i.e., the students) just how good he is and how much he knows. (I've seen that more than than a few times, over the years.)

I think the video I mentioned does a good job of helping shooters have a very positive training experience -- more so than some classes I've participated in or observed. (And then there's the training I got in the military...)

Working ONLY on positive behaviors is essential with animals (like a new dog or a puppy) where you can't really discuss or explain what's intended, or get the "trainee" to tell you what they think they're doing. Positive experiences are important, and proper feedback, even when its about negative results can be positively done with humans and can be positively received. And that can be far more direct and more quickly done than only reinforcing positive behaviors. That's not to say that you shouldn't be reinforcing positive behaviors -- you should.
Actually having negative training techniques can have a detrimental affect upon a person's progress. It plants a negative idea in the student's mind. Statements like, "Don't jerk the trigger!" many times comes back from the student's subconscious as "Jerk the trigger!" I've found that saying things as "Roll the trigger!" when double action shooting cannot be misinterpreted by the subconscious. That why I'm not a big fan of the "Wheel of Misfortune". It is negative training. Champions have or have learned to be positive or they never would reach that high level. As usual, we will not agree on certain techniques.
 
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