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I know if you were hired after Jan 1st, 1994 you cannot carry a revolver as a duty weapon in the NYPD. If is also my understanding that even if you were carrying a revolver prior to the above date and later qualified with an auto, you cannot go back to carrying the revolver as a duty weapon.

My question is if you were to be hired by the NYPD at present can you carry a revolver as an off-duty weapon even though your duty weapon is an auto? Or is the approved off-duty revolvers on the list only for the guys carrying revolvers on duty?

Thanks
 
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Nope. Officers are no longer able to buy a revolver for off duty carry, and that includes an officer hired 20 years ago. The job stopped authorizing them about 10 years ago. If you didn't own one by that date, the door was closed for any future guns. You can buy whatever you want, but you are prohibited from carrying it as an off duty piece. in fact, if you use ANY weapon other than your dept approved weapons for anything other than recreational use, you will be screwed. So you can't leave your 9MM Glock in your locker and sleep with a .357 next to your bed. if you use that gun, even in a lawful shooting, you will not be indeminifed, and that goes for using dept authorized ammo in a different gun.

And many guys hired and trained with the semi auto carried a revolver off duty. They were allowed to do that for a few years until the job phased out off duty revolvers.
 
CTSP-0960 said:
I know if you were hired after Jan 1st, 1994 you cannot carry a revolver as a duty weapon in the NYPD. If is also my understanding that even if you were carrying a revolver prior to the above date and later qualified with an auto, you cannot go back to carrying the revolver as a duty weapon.

My question is if you were to be hired by the NYPD at present can you carry a revolver as an off-duty weapon even though your duty weapon is an auto? Or is the approved off-duty revolvers on the list only for the guys carrying revolvers on duty?

Thanks
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If you were qualified with an auto and were authorized to carry a revolver you could still carry the revolver as a backup as long as you quailified with it. As a detective I was not on patrol, I qualified with my Glock 19, S&W Model 10 (original service revolver) and my S&W Model 36. Those 3 guns were always considered my authorized firearms. Technicaly, if I were put in uniform I could carry my Model 10 if I so desired.

If you were hired today you would not be permitted to carry a revolver under regular circumstances. There is a way you could, but this being a public forum, I'd rather not go on record with the answer. But it could be done.
 
Ultra45...........

Thanks for the response! It's not for me (The CT State Police is my home) but I have a buddy who looks like is getting on with NYPD and is hell-bent on carrying his 642-1 as a back-up/off-duty piece....I'll have to hit you for that "back door" process if he deff. makes it on.

You still active or retired?

Thanks Again,
Sean
 
ultra45 said:
If you were hired today you would not be permitted to carry a revolver under regular circumstances. There is a way you could, but this being a public forum, I'd rather not go on record with the answer. But it could be done.
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I'll spill the beans: if he/she is allergic to tupperware . . . :D
 
CTSP-0960 said:
Ultra45...........

Thanks for the response! It's not for me (The CT State Police is my home) but I have a buddy who looks like is getting on with NYPD and is hell-bent on carrying his 642-1 as a back-up/off-duty piece....I'll have to hit you for that "back door" process if he deff. makes it on.

You still active or retired?

Thanks Again,
Sean
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Never gonna happen. Even IF he was allowed to carry a revolver, the 642 was never authorized. Getting a member of the service authorized to carry a non-dept issued gun is very hard (undercover guys will be allowed to do it since they are undercover. Other than the Glock, the other 2 service weapons are easily identified as NYPD guns. Not too many people chhose to carry double action only S& 5946's or SIG 226's. Even then, there is a whole procedure to follow and nobody is going to do that just because a rookie really likes his 642). I recall wanting to carry the 642 when we authorized the all steel 640. Was told emphatically "Hell no, kid"
 
I always find it strange how one department permits the use of a specific brand/model firearm or ammo caliber size for on duty vs. off duty. Or, when compared to another department in the same state it may not matter. Luckily for me, per HR218 I can switch back and forth from revolver to auto, any make/model. However, I do have to qualify with both to be permitted the switch.
 
If one had a carry permit, could a department still restrict off-duty carry to a department authorized weapon as a condition of employment?
 
xray 99 said:
If one had a carry permit, could a department still restrict off-duty carry to a department authorized weapon as a condition of employment?
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Not many cops hired by the NYPD are in possesion of a carry permit in NY, since generally only retired cops and hooked up celebrities get one. If you DO have a permit, it is void once you are hired, since your shield and ID card ARE permits. And yes, a dept can resrict their officers to whatever they want to. When you take the oath, you lose your rights to choose your carry weapon within the NYPD.
 
MTS Cop, did they straighten out the problems with the M&P9c at the range?
 
I don't know. Last I heard was that it would make the approved list at the start of the new year, but that was a few months ago. I think the range re-opens for quals in a few weeks, I'll let you guys know if I hear anything new.
 
That is total B.S. Sounds like a whole bunch of politics are at play. Nothing against auto's as I have quite a few myself! But if a man "A POLICE OFFICER" proves he is proficient with a revolver as his back up, then he should damn sure be allowed to carry it I think! I personally Love wheel guns, and would be furious if told I couldn't carry one if I so desired. You know I have always said that you should shoot whatever weapon feels most comfortable to you. Wheel Guns Are Real Guns. I see no reason why they should exclude a weapon for no reason. I understand that departments of a certain size should have some sort of standard but that seems a bit excessive. it's not as if he is asking to carry a blunderbuss! Gimme a break!
 
1997 was the last year any new recruits were trained and qualified to carry an off-duty DAO revolver. The S&W 640 was standard until the 640-1 was introduced in the Magnum frame.

Then the City told S&W to produce the magnum frame in .38 only. The birth of the 640-2. I believe this is the only model made specifically for the NYPD. Meaning no 640-2 revolvers were made for the regular commercial market.

Anyone hired after 1997, are not authorized to carry a revolver for off-duty. But...
If you still have it, and you qualify once a year with it, you can.

HTH
 
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