older s&w for edc?

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New to the forum, not a s&w owner but thinking about it. I have found 3 models online that have really peaked my attention, but have not found a lot of information on them. Questions are which is the best all around? Parts availability? Reliability as this will be my edc? The models are
4586
4583
4566
Those because I am on a budget. Can't afford a new 1911.
 
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The big difference between the (3) you listed is that the 4566 is TDA & the 4583/4586 are DAO. The TSW variations will be the newest ones.

Here's a chart that has more info on all the 3rd Gens:
http://smith-wessonforum.com/smith-wesson-semi-auto-pistols/350215-complete-3rd-gen-model-list.html

Reliability would be essentially the same on those (& all 3rd Gens) if the gun is in good shape, and that is very good.

Parts availability ranges from good to not good, depending on what's needed. Generally the normal parts needed are springs, which is mostly good too. Magazine followers' availablity varies.

Try to find one that's been taken care of, &/or little used, and at a reasonable price, & you should be fine.

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I can't adresss the DAO models, 4583/4586 as I only shot 1 example many years ago and as I recall didn't care for the trigger. The difference between the 4583 and 4586 is that the 4586 is all steel construction vice the 4583's aluminum frame. The 4583 was also produced in much smaller numbers than the 4586. Both are excellent pistols and you would be well served by either gun.

As to the 4566, I carried one for 11 years on the job and have shot many different examples for many thousands of rounds. So I will opine. ;)

The 4566 is all steel construction. The version of the 4566 with an aluminum frame is the 4563TSW. There were a handful of 4563's produced by the Performance Center as well.

The 4566 was produced in 8 different variants. The original with hooked trigger guard and flash chromed hammer and trigger, the LE SPECIAL with spurless hammer and laser etched markings rather than roll marks (many of these were the decock only - the ambi safety springing back up after decocking the pistol), the 4566TSW, the integral rail 4566TSW, the melonite 4566 (rare), the melonite integral rail 4566TSW made for the WVSP (rare), the Performance Center 4566 / 45CQB - APPROX 100 made, and two short runs of 4 inch barreled 4566's from the Performance Center (18 and 10 pistols in the two orders.). These has 45CQB features but were not 45CQB guns as they preceded them by around 18 months. The batch of 18 having black coated slides on stainless frames. These were made for LAPD.

The batch of 10 were melonite coated and had forward cocking serations on the slide. They also had lanyard loops on the bottom of the grip frame.

I currently am down to owning 4 examples of the 4566. None of them are TSW guns although one is a PC 45CQB and has all the features the later TSW guns had except for the idiotic tacked on rail.

The variant of the 4566 that I have shot and carried the most, as well as like the most, is the LE SPECIAL variant. Mine is decock only with spurless hammer. It has the cheesy laser etched markings on the slide. That is myvonly complaint with the gun. It shoots like a laser and is bet your life reliable. Mine has NEVER malfunctioned. NEVER. In over 8000 + rounds. And that is a casual round count estimate as it was shot 2000 rounds a year for annual qualifications and
ersonal training as well as for fun. I also shotvit in multiple IDPA matches for 3 years. Always went bang. Has a great trigger too. Smooth DA and short crisp SA let off. It looks good doing all that too. S&W still made good looking guns with nice triggers back then. ;)

As to parts availability, bluedot has covered that. I will only say that in shooting multiple examples of 4566's for thousands of rounds for over a decade, I've not broken a sinle gun or needed a single part other than recoil springs and new magazines.

Thecconstant internet chatter about the lack of parts for the 3rd gen guns is largely due to a handful of m&p fanboys repeating it over and over on various boards in an effort to spur sales of that miserable m&p gun. In my opinion of course. :)

So I advise you to buy anyone of the models you have listed. Buy it, shoot it, love it. I choose the 4566 as my go to gun. There is not a 1911 on the planet, in the same price range, that is as reliable as a 4566 in my experience. And no 1911 will function as well as a 4566 with as little maintenence as a 4566 needs. Hope this helps! Good luck! Regards 18DAI
 
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Sounds like you're a .45 fan. Keep an eye out for a 457, 4516, or a 4513. They're a little smaller than the pistols you listed, but pretty ideal for CCW.
 
Pretty much what 18DAI said except for the parts statement. It may be that it's just Internet rumors but when I go on several sites that specialize in parts and they are sold out of everything but grips, springs and a few random parts to me its "lack of parts".

The only other thing I'm not a fan of is the mag safety. When there is no mag the gun won't fire. The merits of this has been beaten to death but I personally do not like it.

Aside from that they are good solid guns.
 
Very well done 18DAI, that would certainly enlighten anyone looking at the 458* series.

I also agree with Arik as I found the availability of parts other than springs,sights,grips and mags lacking. I am convinced that because of the design and early manufacturing process (at that time), S&W did
not have a great demand for parts other than those mentioned earlier.

Those 3rd gen autos are as extremely reliable now as they were then
 
Being that the OP is on a budget, it might be worth considering the 4043 or 4046. I know, these are not 45s, but being both 40 caliber and DAO, they sell for significantly less than any of the 45s mentioned above. I picked up a 4046 on GB recently for just $230. In comparison, my 457 purchased around the same time was $350.
 
3rd GEN: Tractor Tough

I have several 9mm and 45ACP 3rd GEN models that I shoot and carry in my EDC rotation. I've found them to be very reliable, and to be good shooters. I keep an eye out for parts that I might find a use for, as I prefer single-sided decockers and spurred hammers, spare barrels, etc. Patience is a virtue when looking for parts, as it is trying to find that rare model number - but usually has its reward.
I've owned a couple M&P compacts and now own a 9mm Shield. They're good pistols, IMO. However, when I pick up a 3rd GEN, I know I've got a proven Classic in my paw... Maybe it's that same familiarity that one has with a 1911 or other fine old gun... Comfort - and confidence.
 
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The 4566 was produced in 8 different variants. The original with hooked trigger guard and flash chromed hammer and trigger, the LE SPECIAL with spurless hammer and laser etched markings rather than roll marks (many of these were the decock only - the ambi safety springing back up after decocking the pistol), the 4566TSW, the integral rail 4566TSW, the melonite 4566 (rare), the melonite integral rail 4566TSW made for the WVSP (rare), the Performance Center 4566 / 45CQB - APPROX 100 made, and two short runs of 4 inch barreled 4566's from the Performance Center (18 and 10 pistols in the two orders.). These has 45CQB features but were not 45CQB guns as they preceded them by around 18 months. The batch of 18 having black coated slides on stainless frames. These were made for LAPD.

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Regards 18DAI

Nice summary of the 4566. At the risk of sounding stupid picking at one of our resident experts, isn't there the plain vanilla version of the 4566? Or maybe he meant there were 8 variants from the vanilla version.

All steel, round trigger guard, roll-marked, MIM trigger and spurred hammer, and ambi safety ?
 
Sorry Bruce! Yes, 8 variants off the vanilla 4566. And some........all of the early round trigger guard 4566's had black/blue forged hammers and triggers. The MIM hammers and triggers showing up later on.........94? 95?.......
 
I've been carrying"older" 3rd Gen S&W autos since about 1989... and still am........of the three you mentioned I've only shot/owned a 4566.....a great gun but a bit heavy IMHO for everyday concealed carry...........

18DAI carried his as a "duty gun", and while I've carried mine concealed from time to time it wouldn't be my first choice for a edc Concealed Carry .45 ( for me that would be a Sig W Gr. 220 8+1 or 245(compact) 6+1 with alloy frames.... guns carried more often than shot).

Everything else 18DAI said is spot on......................the 4566 is a tank and will last you a life time as a gun or club.

With modern defense ammo/hollow points..... I'm content with 9mm and carry either one of two Smith compact 3rd gen. autos ...... 3913 (8+1) or 6906 (12+1)
 
My first .45 3rd gen was a 4586, an LE trade-in from Bud's with a BDJxxxx serial. I really tried to like that pistol, and worked with it quite a bit, but could never get good with it. I shoot some revolvers too, and don't mind the DA thing at all, but with the 4586, the "barn walls from the inside" were still safe.

I ended up trading it for my current 4566 (VLNxxxx) with the MIM parts. I love that one, but even though I'm not a small guy, it's too big and heavy for much concealed carrying. If I had to carry for "duty", not a problem.

One of these days I'll find find a compact .45 to add to the pile. Until then, it's a CS40 or 908S on the belt.
 
If you are considering TDA & a full SS gun... I'd suggest considering a M645 if a clean example came your way. Mine was my duty weapon for a number of years. I would belt it on tomorrow & feel very well armed. Utterly reliable. Easiest qualification I ever fired.
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I found another clean piece & no way I was leaving it behind.
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The only down side, it's a real gun & needs a proper holster.
 
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You may find that after getting a 3rd Gen S&W,
that you will no longer really want a 1911...
at least in .45acp ;)

Although, the RIA 10mm 1911 kinda makes me drool a little...
so does the .22TCM/9mm version....
22TCM is a heck of a magnum round!!
 
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I picked up a 4583TSW at my LGS a couple of months ago for $400. It was *extremely* dirty, but in pretty good shape. Hope you like my Christmas sheets.

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It's my first foray into 45 ACP. I was a little surprised how light the recoil is. I'm really not a fan of DAO... but it's good to get practice with DAO and it looks good doing it.

My only complaint is the "tactical" laser etching on the slide... a) because it looks ridiculous, and b) because I'd like to give the slide a freshening up with the ol' bead blaster but I don't want to end up with a faded billboard or be stuck blasting all day to get it completely off (and then what does that do to the value?). Well, and I would complain that you can't get cheap magazines like you can for the 59s.

I also need to figure out what to do with the night sights. I need to throw some white paint on them for now, I guess.
 
New to the forum, not a s&w owner but thinking about it. I have found 3 models online that have really peaked my attention, but have not found a lot of information on them. Questions are which is the best all around? Parts availability? Reliability as this will be my edc? The models are
4586
4583
4566
Those because I am on a budget. Can't afford a new 1911.

I carry my 3rd Generation (Model 5904) on a regular basis. It's my heavy clothing EDC as well as my (starting 01/01/16) open carry gun when I choose to do so. I'm completely confident in it. I've put a good 100 rounds through it since I purchased it on a steel for $150 from GT Distributors. It's worked flawlessly. I don't know about the 45xx series, however. However, the 3rd Generation S&W's are known for their reliability and (pun-intended) bulletproof nature.

I myself would go with the 4566 or 4586 because they are DA/SA.

As mentioned, my 3rd Generation, pictured below, sees a lot of holster time.

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