Open Carry?

[CoMF]

Well folks, as the old saying goes: It's been fun, and it's been real, but at no point was it real fun. (With obvious exception for Mr. Keith44 trying to lighten the mood at times, of course. )

My thanks go to the posters who voiced reasoned views on why they disagreed with OC, but also didn't resort to ad hominem to make their points.

In closing, I'll state once again that I fail to see what good can come of demonizing people who are doing nothing illegal. We must also acknowledge that sometimes, much needed societal changes have resulted from judicious rocking of the proverbial apple cart, which sometimes approaches or even rises to the level of civil disobedience.

While I don't always agree with the method of "delivery," I recognize the validity of the "message" nonetheless.

And with that, I'm bowing out.

 

[shouldazagged]

It's all really simple. Respect the Constitution and the laws of the 44 states , soon to be 45, that have an OC statute on the books.
If you disagree with those laws then move to one of the other 6, soon to be 5, or run for your state legislature and fight to amend OC laws to suit you.

It's the damnedest thing, I don't remember anyone here wanting to amend the OC laws or disrespect the Constitution. Maybe I missed it. I certainly wouldn't want to do either here in Kentucky, where OC has been legal far longer than CC. What I have seen here is some people who don't much like OC and don't do it.

I'm not even in that camp. I don't dislike OC but don't choose to do it. Just call me the Invisible Man. That's how I'm comfortable. I'm old and like my life simple. There are lots of things I can do legally but choose not to.

I don't care for lollipops or marshmallows either, but I like "You're an idiot or un-American if you don't agree with me" much less, and I have seen some of that. On most subjects people on this fine forum seem to be able to disagree without taking umbrage. This just doesn't seem to be one of them.

 

[ladder13]

Boys,

It sure look'd like it was gonna be touch and go here for awhile....

I have to say, some of the proponents for concealed carry had some purty good reasonin' on their side....

If one appears to be a lit'l touch'd or might be a suspected criminal, out-right insane, dis-honorable in all things,

having domestic woos, suffers from IBS, halitosis, or athlete foot, jest to name a few qualifying maladies...

Those folks should carry concealed at all time, as not to disrupt the peace and tranquility of life in the public.

I see what you did.

 

[keith44spl]

I see what you did.

The net is full of arguments for and against any subject at hand.

I have and do concealed carry, but also open carry.

I enjoy the freedom this country offers by way of our forefathers wise decisions and
unselfish convictions in drafting those oh so precious papers so long ago.


Concealed Carry at is finest........

Or maybe not...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmTvAZvJ5Mc



You decide.....


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[Bundesheer]

Hahaha like that a lot.

 

[John R]

We can open carry in Michigan, but I don't see much need for it, we're a shall issue state.
I don't want anyone to know I have a gun, until they hear it go off.

 

[keith44spl]

I was in a Home Depot recently (in Detroit, of all places), and
in the checkout line next to me stood a guy open carrying
a full size semi-auto (looked like a Sig).............and waited
there with my Glock 23 concealed under my untucked shirt.

I'd want a pair of them Glocks....In Detroit

Don't let em kid ya too awful much about that Glock.

Why, to tell a closely guard secret, I may have carried a glock in
.357 Sig once upon a time my own self.....Concealed of course


Su Amigo,
Dave

 

[Hans Gruber]

Open carry just SHOWS ISIL, or the Taliban, or the local street thug that YOU need to taken out FIRST.
Open is carry is DUMB on a scale beyond the normal level of stupid.
IF I were planning to rob a Micky-D's and saw some goofus sitting there munching a Q-Pdr, with his Wilson, Combat Extreme, Wild-Bill-Special, Close-Quarters-Combact, Tactical 1911-S, super-duper, lightweight tucked into an OPEN HOLSTER....I'd SHOOT HIM IMMEDIATELY!

Open carry is what people who live in a clueless world want....

 

[Kilibreaux]

I agree, open carry isn't something I would want to do...it's analogous to putting a sign on your back that reads, "SHOOT ME I'M ARMED!"

Open carry is what some buffoon does because he mistakenly believes only HE is carrying a weapon....while strolling through, or sitting in a room filled with people who are also EQUALLY armed, only they aren't sending out a signal to criminals that says, "shoot me first!"

 

[keith44spl]

Open carry just SHOWS ISIL, or the Taliban, or the local street thug that YOU need to taken out FIRST.
Open is carry is DUMB on a scale beyond the normal level of stupid.
IF I were planning to rob a Micky-D's and saw some goofus sitting there munching a Q-Pdr, with his Wilson, Combat Extreme, Wild-Bill-Special, Close-Quarters-Combact, Tactical 1911-S, super-duper, lightweight tucked into an OPEN HOLSTER....I'd SHOOT HIM IMMEDIATELY!

Open carry is what people who live in a clueless world want....

I agree, open carry isn't something I would want to do...it's analogous to putting a sign on your back that reads, "SHOOT ME I'M ARMED!"

Open carry is what some buffoon does because he mistakenly believes only HE is carrying a weapon....while strolling through, or sitting in a room filled with people who are also EQUALLY armed, only they aren't sending out a signal to criminals that says, "shoot me first!"

Wells, I did not know alls that.............^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Dag-nabbit, in forty something years I ain't been snuck-up on and shot in public nary a time....

Just how many times have one of you'll pud-knockers even heard,
let'l on able prove, that someone has been shot or shot at in public, for carrying a sidearm?

Inquiring minds jest got to know.......


Opinions are not facts!

I see open carry in the Commonwealth daily...

Never even heard of anyone being targeted and or being shot by a criminal plyin' his trade.

I believe that's jest a urban miff



Open Carry equals less mischief in the world.

That is all for today.
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[Kilibreaux]

nquiring minds jest got to know.......

In 40 something years how many times have you been walking around carrying a GUN openly and had a criminal miscreant walk in?
I suspect NEVER!
As I said and stand by in my post, if I were the criminal, the FIRST THING I would do is shoot EVERYONE who was clearly armed...and I'd do it BEFORE they ever knew it was coming.

NO human can be vigilant beyond that...

Carrying a gun in the open is stupid....but if YOU want it, and if YOU can get your State Legislature to pass such an idiotic bill...more power to you.
Opinions are not facts!

I see open carry in the Commonwealth daily...

Never even heard of anyone being targeted and or being shot by a criminal plyin' his trade.

I believe that's jest a urban miff



Open Carry equals less mischief in the world.

That is all for today.
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[kbm6893]

When doing anything, I try to look at pros and cons. I just do not see any reason to open carry in most settings. Walking through the woods or desert, or fishing, there are no people around and the need might arise that you need the weapon quickly. Animal attacks happen fast. Nobody around to possibly alarm. Don't tie up a cop investigating. In a thread I started about an obviously mentally retarded man open carrying, the OC crowd kept asking why I didn't call the cops if I was so concerned. I didn't call because I wasn't concerned. I knew it was legal so I didn't call. But one thing I know is that just because I wasn't concerned it doesn't mean somebody else won't be and complainants tend to exaggerate when they call 911

I live in PA, an OC state. In 8 years I have seen it maybe 5 times. If you live in an area where it is common then I see no drawback. I believe the OC crowd want their weapons to be seen. It's not a comfort thing. It's "check this out". They range from the extreme like the idiots on YouTube walking around with AR's to the more mellow "so what if I have a gun? I'm not breaking the law". The people I have seen could put their t-shirt over their weapon. Wouldn't make them any less armed or any more uncomfortable. The woman in my state removed a lightweight windbreaker at a soccer game for 8 year olds to reveal her holstered Glock 26, a weapon marketed for concealed carry! She did it to make a stink. I cringed when I saw her interviewed. Just kept blinking rapidly into the camera and repeating "the constitution says I can".

Just because something is legal doesn't mean you SHOULD do it, just that you CAN. I can walk down the street in a speedo and carrying a tuba. But I don't.

I have yet to hear one viable reason for OC. Same response. It's legal. But why do you really do it? If your state has no CC, then I get it. Like those Texas Target idiots. They pulled that stunt because they want to OC a pistol. Texas has CC so it's not like they're unarmed. But instead they strapped rifles to their backs and riled up people. Did they stop to think that people saw those idiots they shopped somewhere else? Doesn't it strike you as odd that such a pro-gun state like Texas, where you can shoot a man for being on your property, doesn't have OC?

 

[Kilibreaux]

nquiring minds jest got to know.......

In 40 something years how many times have you been walking around carrying a GUN openly and had a criminal miscreant walk in?
I suspect NEVER!
As I said and stand by in my post, if I were the criminal, the FIRST THING I would do is shoot EVERYONE who was clearly armed...and I'd do it BEFORE they ever knew it was coming.

NO human can be vigilant beyond that...

Carrying a gun in the open is stupid....but if YOU want it, and if YOU can get your State Legislature to pass such an idiotic bill...more power to you.
Opinions are not facts!

I see open carry in the Commonwealth daily...

Never even heard of anyone being targeted and or being shot by a criminal plyin' his trade.

I believe that's jest a urban miff



Open Carry equals less mischief in the world.

That is all for today.
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Open carry equals duffusus carrying a gun while EVERYONE can see who NEEDS to be shot FIRST!

Go ahead....

 

[keith44spl]

In 40 something years how many times have you been walking around carrying a GUN openly and had a criminal miscreant walk in?
I suspect NEVER!
As I said and stand by in my post, if I were the criminal, the FIRST THING I would do is shoot EVERYONE who was clearly armed...and I'd do it BEFORE they ever knew it was coming.

NO human can be vigilant beyond that...

Carrying a gun in the open is stupid....but if YOU want it, and if YOU can get your State Legislature to pass such an idiotic bill...more power to you.



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Gentlemen, as much as I'd like to entertain all the opinions expressed on this subject,

Speculation, conjecture, personal opines, hearsay and uncle Joes war stories does not carry much weight.

I am more convinced by the hard facts that are above reproach and the solemn testimony of those eyewitness accounts to the facts.



I been a lawman on and off for forty something years, most of which has been plainclothes duty.
I've made a hell of a lot of felony arrests in public.

Currently serving as a Detective for Commonwealth's Attorneys Office.....I get the memos.

I watch where I park my hindend in public.......

Where I come from, everyone is armed, men, women, folks of
all ages, farmers, ranchers, school teachers, doctors, lawyers,
construction workers, nurses, mothers, fathers, policemen,
firemen, good folks from all walks of life.

It's kind of a southern thing, ya understand.

In the Commonwealth of Kentucky the statutes and the state constitution
recognizes that unalienable right that her citizens may arm themselves,
be it open carry of firearms by those 18 years and older, or concealed carry.
21 years and older for concealed carry. And folks do it too!



Are kalifornia criminals just better at what they do?

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

ISIL and the Taliban are going to attack those who OC?

Definitely a keeper for The Top Ten Reasons to not OC.

 

[ladder13]

Open carry just SHOWS ISIL, or the Taliban, or the local street thug that YOU need to taken out FIRST.
Open is carry is DUMB on a scale beyond the normal level of stupid.
IF I were planning to rob a Micky-D's and saw some goofus sitting there munching a Q-Pdr, with his Wilson, Combat Extreme, Wild-Bill-Special, Close-Quarters-Combact, Tactical 1911-S, super-duper, lightweight tucked into an OPEN HOLSTER....I'd SHOOT HIM IMMEDIATELY!

Open carry is what people who live in a clueless world want....

Can you give a few examples of people who have been killed first because they OC'ed? Should be easy with the many dozens of incidents.

 

[Protected One]

WOW. We need some new subjects, guys!

 

[ladder13]

I agree, open carry isn't something I would want to do...it's analogous to putting a sign on your back that reads, "SHOOT ME I'M ARMED!"

Open carry is what some buffoon does because he mistakenly believes only HE is carrying a weapon....while strolling through, or sitting in a room filled with people who are also EQUALLY armed, only they aren't sending out a signal to criminals that says, "shoot me first!"

Maybe YOU have an example or two of an OCer getting shot first just because he was doing so?

 

[ladder13]

ISIL and the Taliban are going to attack those who OC?

Definitely a keeper for The Top Ten Reasons to not OC.

I think I saw some ISIS guys at the supermarket yesterday.

 

[keith44spl]

WOW. We need some new subjects, guys!

No, No, No.....We got 'em surrounded!


This thread brings out the best in the populous here!

Carry On


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