Oregon Ballot measure 114 effective date

[RSinOR]

Oregon Measure 114

It has been reported that the Permit to Purchase a firearm will be good for 5 years and cost $65.00 Renewal will cost another
$65.00 and be good for another 5 years.

The training necessary to qualify for this permit has yet to be decided and the applicant must pay for this training. No one
knows who will qualify to provide this training.

This new law goes in effect on December 8 2022.

Oregon has 36 counties. 29 counties voted against this
measure. 7 counties voted in favor of it.

 

[outta_ammo]

A note on 10+ mags—if you already have one you can keep it but it can only be used on private property or on a range.

Carry is NOT allowed. So why bother...

 

[4T5GUY]

And to support all this, Portland, (not to mention the Metro area,) is poised to surpass its all time yearly shooting homicide numbers to date. This is not including all the non homicide shootings, stabbings and clubbings. I doubt most if any of these firearms were obtained with an "instant" Oregon background check by the perps.

I'm glad Chief finally got an award today cause he's buck'n such a bad situation with limited backing from the Mayor/DA, lack of Public Defenders and a decimated work force.

Jim

 

[oger]

Oregon gun law.

Where does it say they have to issue permits? They can just sit on the apps forever and probably will.

 

[RSinOR]

Oregon ballot measure 114

Yesterday, 11-18-22, Oregon Firearms Federation filed a lawsuit
in Federal District Court, Pendleton Oregon Division challenging
the constitutionality of recently passed Measure 114.

They are seeking an immediate injunction against the implementation of Measure 114 or in lieu of that and immediate
injunction against the banning of high capacity magazines while the balance of measure 114 works its way through the courts.

 

[BB57]

I pointed this out once before and my post disappeared for unknown reasons. The issue we have in Oregon is that while the vast majority of the state is rural farmland and forest the majority of voters live in Portland. So, no matter what 90% of the state wants our laws are dictated by Portland.

I lived in MN a few years ago and directed a state program there. They have a similar disconnect between the twin cities and just about every where else in greater MN.

There are 3.7 million people in the Minneapolis/St Paul metropolitan area, and 2 million people in the rest of the state. The increasingly liberal city folks increasingly call the shots.

Being focused on the needs of greater MN rather than just the twin cities, and running a fiscally responsible program where we said "no" when it was both appropriate and necessary, didn't play well.

Based on my prior federal experience as a liaison to numerous states, I found similar disconnects in pretty much every state where a single large metropolitan area exists in an otherwise rural state.

 

[BB57]

Same old thing. NY has used this playbook for years. Pass s bunch of laws. Implement a bunch of requirements but have no process for either. They usually dump it on State Police. Who usually argue they can't do it. And then most of the Sheriffs announce they wont enforce it. Then it goes to court and gets struck down. It's actually harassment. It puts everything on hold because law biding citizens don't know what they can or can't do.

It's how politically motivated legislation works:
- pass a law;
- use vague and poorly defined wording;
- don't include funding for implementation;
- insist it be implemented almost immediately; and
- watch everything grind to a halt.

It's 100% predictable and 100% by design.

 

[fordson]

It has been reported that the Permit to Purchase a firearm will be good for 5 years and cost $65.00 Renewal will cost another
$65.00 and be good for another 5 years.

The training necessary to qualify for this permit has yet to be decided and the applicant must pay for this training. No one
knows who will qualify to provide this training.

This new law goes in effect on December 8 2022.

Oregon has 36 counties. 29 counties voted against this
measure. 7 counties voted in favor of it.

Hmm……. A State level Electoral College?

 

[johngalt]

I lived in MN a few years ago and directed a state program there. They have a similar disconnect between the twin cities and just about every where else in greater MN.

There are 3.7 million people in the Minneapolis/St Paul metropolitan area, and 2 million people in the rest of the state. The increasingly liberal city folks increasingly call the shots.

Being focused on the needs of greater MN rather than just the twin cities, and running a fiscally responsible program where we said "no" when it was both appropriate and necessary, didn't play well.

Based on my prior federal experience as a liaison to numerous states, I found similar disconnects in pretty much every state where a single large metropolitan area exists in an otherwise rural state.

Yeah, MN is a weird state. I've only been here for 3 years. The state is very blue, but is also pro gun (mostly). On the down side, purchase permits are required to buy a handgun. However, the carry permit doubles as the purchase permit and is easy to get. Costs money though - requires a 4 hour training class + application fee.

 

[RSinOR]

Oregon ballot measure 114

It's how politically motivated legislation works:
- pass a law;
- use vague and poorly defined wording;
- don't include funding for implementation;
- insist it be implemented almost immediately; and
- watch everything grind to a halt.

It's 100% predictable and 100% by design.

This measure started life as an initiative petition from a liberal
left wing church group led by a pastor who refused to debate
the "merits" of the petition whenever the pro 2nd amendment
opponets proposed having a debate.

 

[BB57]

Yeah, MN is a weird state. I've only been here for 3 years. The state is very blue, but is also pro gun (mostly). On the down side, purchase permits are required to buy a handgun. However, the carry permit doubles as the purchase permit and is easy to get. Costs money though - requires a 4 hour training class + application fee.

I moved to MN from NC and then back to NC. NC is actually more restrictive permit wise as NC requires:
- a finger print based background check;
- a mental health background check;
- 8 hours of training (4 hrs handgun safety, 4 hours use of deadly force); and
- live fire qualification.

In MN, the back ground check was not finger print based, but did require me to go to the Sheriffs office for reasons that were never clear since all I did was hand them the paperwork. The live fire "qualification" was also just demonstrating safe gun handling and marksmanship to the instructor's satisfaction. In my case he had me fire at a target at 5 yards. I put a 1 1/2" six shot group in the center of the 10 ring, double action, rapid fire with my Model 66 and my .357 Mag carry load, and he declared me done.

Yet despite NC's requirements being more rigorous and despite NC agreeing to reciprocity with states that were much less rigorous, including MN, MN won't recognize an NC permit.

That's very Minnesota. It was emblematic of the passive aggression that is passed off as "Minnesota Nice".

VA had a similar finger print based background check and training requirements, but no live fire requirement. The major barrier I found in VA was Arlington County dragging its feet as long as it possibly could before coughing up a permit, in violation of the 45 day statutory timeline, stretching it out to just short of 6 months.

 

[johngalt]

I moved to MN from NC and then back to NC. NC is actually more restrictive permit wise as NC requires:
- a finger print based background check;
- a mental health background check;
- 8 hours of training (4 hrs handgun safety, 4 hours use of deadly force); and
- live fire qualification.

In MN, the back ground check was not finger print based, but did require me to go to the Sheriffs office for reasons that were never clear since all I did was hand them the paperwork. The live fire "qualification" was also just demonstrating safe gun handling and marksmanship to the instructor's satisfaction. In my case he had me fire at a target at 5 yards. I put a 1 1/2" six shot group in the center of the 10 ring, double action, rapid fire with my Model 66 and my .357 Mag carry load, and he declared me done.

Yet despite NC's requirements being more rigorous and despite NC agreeing to reciprocity with states that were much less rigorous, including MN, MN won't recognize an NC permit.

That's very Minnesota. It was emblematic of the passive aggression that is passed off as "Minnesota Nice".

VA had a similar finger print based background check and training requirements, but no live fire requirement. The major barrier I found in VA was Arlington County dragging its feet as long as it possibly could before coughing up a permit, in violation of the 45 day statutory timeline, stretching it out to just short of 6 months.

Your process is the same as what I went through. When I dropped off the form at the sheriff's office, they told me it could be up to 30 days (the maximum by statute). I got it in 2 weeks. Apparently in Minneapolis and St. Paul they drag it out to the full 30 days.

I've heard about the 'Minnesota nice' thing. I haven't observed it when driving. It wasn't much evident during the festivities in Minneapolis 2 years ago either.

I doesn't really seem any different than any other similar sized city.

My MN permit is good in WI, but a WI permit is not honored in MN. There doesn't seem to be any logic behind choosing who is honored.

 

[Rpg]

That is the fact/issue that has me just screaming. A Bill he been passed, (the greater Metro Portland area dictating the rest of the state,) before anything clear and tangible has been written into it. I'm not an attorney but that doesn't seem legal.

I asked my local Police Chief about the particulars. Is it a permit for each and every purchase? Is it an all inclusive permit meaning blanket coverage? Is the firearms training certification required for each purchase or good for all? What about Concealed Carry Permittees? What about CCR FFL holders. What about NFA Stamp holders. (That's me all three.) He said he didn't know as it's still being figured out.

Jim

The regular course of events is that the legislature passes a bill, it's signed by the executive and THEN regulations implementing the law are written.

In many states, and the federal government, the proposed regulations must be published for a prescribed period of time giving the electorate an opportunity to provide criticism or support.

The criticism is reviewed and then and only then are regulations published in final form. They then come into effect.

It should not be a surprise that a law passed in early November would not have many or most of the regulations available today, November 19.

 

[Igiveup]

My wife told me to take pictures of all my 10+ round mags with the cell phone, as it dates the pictures. The mags are "grandfathered in" if purchased before Dec. 8. Most of the sherriffs in Or. said they won't enforce the new law, but the state police is another story, as they are at the direction of the new governor. Most of the people I know don't give a hoot for Portland, and many counties have actually voted to become part of Idaho, a movement that probably doesn't have a chance, but at least there is a vote for it.

 

[DeplorabusUnum]

My wife told me to take pictures of all my 10+ round mags with the cell phone, as it dates the pictures. The mags are "grandfathered in" if purchased before Dec. 8. Most of the sherriffs in Or. said they won't enforce the new law, but the state police is another story, as they are at the direction of the new governor. Most of the people I know don't give a hoot for Portland, and many counties have actually voted to become part of Idaho, a movement that probably doesn't have a chance, but at least there is a vote for it.

I've never been offered a chance to vote to become part of Idaho. If given the chance I will say yes please in a heartbeat.

 

[lihpster]

This county would never vote to become part of Idaho. Narnia maybe, but not Idaho.

 

[ladder13]

I think it requires state legislative approval and also Congressional for parts of one state to leave and join another.
There was a move afoot to have NYC set adrift from the rest of the state. It never really gained traction as NYC dominates the state legislature, with the Governor from the same party.
Where would they get their water from?
I'm sure the Oregon legislature is not going to let this happen.

 

[Paul in Nevada]

My wife told me to take pictures of all my 10+ round mags with the cell phone, as it dates the pictures. The mags are "grandfathered in" if purchased before Dec. 8.

They will come for the grandfathered mags next. They always do. Having photo evidence might work against you when that day comes.

 

[biku324]

Two state legislatures - the state being left and the one receiving.

Article III, Section 3:

New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.

 

[ASA335]

Yes please

Hmm……. A State level Electoral College?

I've argued for this for many years, for all statewide elected offices such as Governor, Secretary of State, Attorney General, and State Supreme Court Justices (vacancy appointments for limited time only). Election of US Senators would require a change to the US Constitution, which should never have gone to "popular vote" from the original "elected by state senates". This is one way for a statewide office holder to be accountable broadly across the state and not just population centers.

Oregon also needs to address the ease which constitutional changes can be offered to the populace. I'm in favor of having a method for the people of push for constitutional changes, but the system we have is too easy; Portland alone can generate more than enough signatures to get a proposed constitutional change on the ballot. This is what happened with measure 114.