geeollie
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Marinvet: my canisters label states 120 F is the upper limit.
Pepper Spray
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sigp220.45
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I had a full can pop its top in a hot car. No fun at all.
As does mine.........I'm guessing a hot summer day in Kansas is gonna top that...........I don't want to have to clean it up.
I put a can of either POM or UDAP through the washer and dryer by accident. It didn't leak and it didn't malfunction afterwards.
When I worked for G4S day they issued us Saber Red pepper gel. Before we were allowed to carry it we had to be sprayed with it. Saber red took between 30 seconds and a minute to incapacitate me.
There used to be a video on YouTube of a female marine named Douglas getting sprayed with OC. When she got sprayed you could see the look of shock on her face. She turned around to the people filming her and said is this it? When it finally hit her, it hit her but she was able to complete the confidence course with a face full of it.
That's something to keep in mind it's not going to stop somebody immediately. I mean some people it will but be prepared for it not to
When I worked for G4S day they issued us Saber Red pepper gel. Before we were allowed to carry it we had to be sprayed with it. Saber red took between 30 seconds and a minute to incapacitate me.
There used to be a video on YouTube of a female marine named Douglas getting sprayed with OC. When she got sprayed you could see the look of shock on her face. She turned around to the people filming her and said is this it? When it finally hit her, it hit her but she was able to complete the confidence course with a face full of it.
That's something to keep in mind it's not going to stop somebody immediately. I mean some people it will but be prepared for it not to
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as the last time I read, pepper spray is not legal to use in Pa., same as double edged boot knives to carry.
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There are two products widely available, pepper spray (think aerosol) and gel (thick, paint-like). The latter won’t require decontamination of the whole room or building where it was deployed. Outdoors there may not be much difference.
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We had a young dog dig a can of pepper gel out of a car door pocket and puncture it. On a road trip. 700 miles from home.
Hilarity ensued.
Hilarity ensued.
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I have good UDAP hard plastic holsters, which I consider mandatory, for our bear spray.
I need to find something for the small cans.
I need to find something for the small cans.
mckenney99
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I don't think cleanup is the reason for the gel. Gel is not as affected by a breeze like the spray and it's less likely to be blown "off course". Of course that also means you need to be able to direct the gel where it is likely to do the most good. The gel is less likely to get blown back in your face if your confrontation just happens to put you downwind. Also the gel has a tendency to stick to the target, rather than be widely dispersed atomized droplets.
OC into Canada
True that. So I did not carry any (along with, obviously, my pistol) when we went to Jasper and Banff NPs in 2018.
Once we arrived in Jasper we were met with strong admonitions that anyone intending to do any hiking should carry bear spray because of the constant presence of grizzly bears. So I bought a canister and carried it clipped to my belt. Nothing to purchasing it. Pay for it and you have it.
Bear spray is just a more potent version of OC spray in a much larger container. So what was prohibited at the border was readily available (and encouraged) once inside.
Coming back into the USA, it was not an issue. I forget now if US Customs even asked.
I now carry that bear spray canister in my Jeep Wrangler, although not for bears. We don't have grizzlies in NorCal. I have encountered our native bears here, and if one is careful I have not experienced or been told of bear encounters despite their large numbers. They are not unusual to see wandering our little community. They are constantly seen on game cameras.
My use for it in the Jeep is that my bride, myself and our dog like to go for rides in our endless (and beautiful) back country. Every once is a while (very seldom) someone will have a confrontation with a group in the back country. They will have a predictable pattern; an intoxicated group of somewhere around four+ white males in a lifted SUV or truck on the lookout for persons to harass in the boonies. The total absence of cell service greatly facilitates such recreational opportunities. In such confrontations, which can start out as just verbal harassment, deadly force, or even the display of a firearm, is not legal. Given the disproportion of numbers, I think that the imminent initiation of force by such individuals is an effective and appropriate OC defensive response.
The size of the canister insures a sufficient quantity of gas available to deter continuing any attack, thus allowing escape. If that fails and any such attack intensifies we are getting into deadly force territory. I do not want any such attack to be able to continue to the point where I will need a gun.
That gap, between an instance where a tear gas application of gas would be legal, but falling short of justifiable deadly force, is the ideal legal defensive means. So I also carry a small canister along with my pistol. I have always so instructed my CCW students.
Just to clarify, I have never experienced any sort of negative encounter in the back country. What few contacts we have had have been with people with our same state of mind; blessed to be where we are and enjoying the wilderness.
So what this comes down is being prepared for an eventuality we hope never occurs.
Another iteration of the parachute rule: If once you need it, and don't have it, chances are you will never need it again.
Just don't carry your pepper spray into Canada. It's a prohibited weapon there, and possession could get you up to a 10-year sentence.
True that. So I did not carry any (along with, obviously, my pistol) when we went to Jasper and Banff NPs in 2018.
Once we arrived in Jasper we were met with strong admonitions that anyone intending to do any hiking should carry bear spray because of the constant presence of grizzly bears. So I bought a canister and carried it clipped to my belt. Nothing to purchasing it. Pay for it and you have it.
Bear spray is just a more potent version of OC spray in a much larger container. So what was prohibited at the border was readily available (and encouraged) once inside.
Coming back into the USA, it was not an issue. I forget now if US Customs even asked.
I now carry that bear spray canister in my Jeep Wrangler, although not for bears. We don't have grizzlies in NorCal. I have encountered our native bears here, and if one is careful I have not experienced or been told of bear encounters despite their large numbers. They are not unusual to see wandering our little community. They are constantly seen on game cameras.
My use for it in the Jeep is that my bride, myself and our dog like to go for rides in our endless (and beautiful) back country. Every once is a while (very seldom) someone will have a confrontation with a group in the back country. They will have a predictable pattern; an intoxicated group of somewhere around four+ white males in a lifted SUV or truck on the lookout for persons to harass in the boonies. The total absence of cell service greatly facilitates such recreational opportunities. In such confrontations, which can start out as just verbal harassment, deadly force, or even the display of a firearm, is not legal. Given the disproportion of numbers, I think that the imminent initiation of force by such individuals is an effective and appropriate OC defensive response.
The size of the canister insures a sufficient quantity of gas available to deter continuing any attack, thus allowing escape. If that fails and any such attack intensifies we are getting into deadly force territory. I do not want any such attack to be able to continue to the point where I will need a gun.
That gap, between an instance where a tear gas application of gas would be legal, but falling short of justifiable deadly force, is the ideal legal defensive means. So I also carry a small canister along with my pistol. I have always so instructed my CCW students.
Just to clarify, I have never experienced any sort of negative encounter in the back country. What few contacts we have had have been with people with our same state of mind; blessed to be where we are and enjoying the wilderness.
So what this comes down is being prepared for an eventuality we hope never occurs.
Another iteration of the parachute rule: If once you need it, and don't have it, chances are you will never need it again.
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I thought about carrying pepper spray until a few weeks ago. I was remodeling a building in a pretty nice part of town but there are a lot of homeless people because of some main highways nearby that are a great place to panhandle. We had a big pile of softball size river rock the landscapers removed but one of my floor installers, Jonnie, sees this crazy homeless guy picking up the rocks and start throwing them around the parking lot. Jonnie yelled at him to stop throwing the rocks and clean up that mess! The guy picks up a rock and walks toward Jonnie and says "I'm gonna hit you in the head with this rock"! Jonnie pulls a .38 snub from his truck door pocket so the guy turns and walks away towards the Amazon Prime truck that just pulled in and stands in front of the truck waving his arms and screaming like a maniac. With the drugs people are on today I don't trust pepper spray.
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geeollie
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All pepper sprays are not equal. Some are absolute wastes of time and money. I would expect many of those to fail. Reliable brands such as Sabre and Fox Lab have extremely few if any documented accounts of a good hit not stopping the person sprayed. The "magic" of pepper spray has been shown to work even on those who may be hyped up and can not feel pain. The effects on breathing and the on the eyes are mainly involuntary.
This is one of the main reasons that "tear gas" has fallen out of favor for small spray canister use. It is still good for crowd control where most of the crowd will feel it's discomfort. But a drugged up person or even a high tolerance person can shrug off tear gas. Low cost, low quality and quantity pepper sprays will also fail on such persons.
This is one of the main reasons that "tear gas" has fallen out of favor for small spray canister use. It is still good for crowd control where most of the crowd will feel it's discomfort. But a drugged up person or even a high tolerance person can shrug off tear gas. Low cost, low quality and quantity pepper sprays will also fail on such persons.
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And go to jail for brandishing a firearm.
May not happen in OK. But it will here. Precisely why I will start carrying it daily.
1. It is illegal to use OC spray that is specifically designed for use on a bear on a human being. This is a *Federal* Law.
Bear spray is stronger than human self-defense spray. It is designed to shoot up to 40 ft whereas spray design for use on humans is designed to shoot up to 10 ft.
ETA I forgot to say this before but the bear spray is under more pressure so if you shoot somebody in the face with bear spray at close range you can permanently damage their eyes.
Also, apparently bear spray is regulated by the EPA as a pesticide and it's not designed for use on humans. And it's specifically says on the Canon it's not designed for use on humans and they've got that little notification that says is a violation of federal law to use this product and manner inconsistent with its labeling.
So apparently, it is technically illegal to spray somebody with bear spray. I've never heard of anybody being prosecuted for it but there it is
Bear spray is stronger than human self-defense spray. It is designed to shoot up to 40 ft whereas spray design for use on humans is designed to shoot up to 10 ft.
ETA I forgot to say this before but the bear spray is under more pressure so if you shoot somebody in the face with bear spray at close range you can permanently damage their eyes.
Also, apparently bear spray is regulated by the EPA as a pesticide and it's not designed for use on humans. And it's specifically says on the Canon it's not designed for use on humans and they've got that little notification that says is a violation of federal law to use this product and manner inconsistent with its labeling.
So apparently, it is technically illegal to spray somebody with bear spray. I've never heard of anybody being prosecuted for it but there it is
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Pisgah
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At 71 the effectiveness of my fists is way down, and with my arthritis there are days when wielding a stick isn't gonna do much, either. Pepper spray in my pocket gives me a good less-than-lethal capability no matter how creaky I may be the day it's needed.
SWFan27
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Just when I walk my dog. I hope it works on big mean dogs if they try to eat my little French Bulldog. I bought it after a very close call with a dog that came out of nowhere. I was holding my dog as high as I could while a big Rot was jumping up trying to get him. Thank God the neighbor pulled his dog away in time. Pepper spray is kinder than shooting a neighbor's dog.
geeollie
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And less paper work!!!!!
