Weapons should be a caliber/gauge that ammo is available all over the world
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Be careful of getting to far into the weeds with weapons, ammo and other details.
I have read at least 5 Clancy novels. Each and every one I enjoyed but they all suffered the same flaw. He got way too far into the weeds with details. Page after page. I soon learned to recognize his wind up for the detail swamp and would soon be flipping pages to get past the tedium. Readers tend to enjoy the flow and momentum of a story far more than paragraphs of details that very few people understand.
I have read at least 5 Clancy novels. Each and every one I enjoyed but they all suffered the same flaw. He got way too far into the weeds with details. Page after page. I soon learned to recognize his wind up for the detail swamp and would soon be flipping pages to get past the tedium. Readers tend to enjoy the flow and momentum of a story far more than paragraphs of details that very few people understand.
So when I was a Police Officer I did 3 years working on in the New South Wales Police Force (NSWPF) Protective Security Group (PSG) as an Investigator. I completed our Close Personal Protective Course and worked on numerous jobs as dignitary protection or as the intelligence officer. (I do not want to sound like a "tosser" (might be too late), but here's what I can tell you in regards to your scenario).
- ankle guns were never allowed as they could be too easily exposed. In particular, the Principal might be up on stage at a presentation. Here you are sitting behind him, your pants naturally pull up when seated, thus exposing your gun to the crowd.
(As this is Australia, we were never allowed backups anyway).
We just used our issued Glock 22's and 23's. Shoulder holsters were very popular and helped keep your pants up when carrying conms gear etc. Plenty of other basic things like suit jackets always undone. Advances, Site Officers, security room, diamond and box formations.
Hope this helps.
- ankle guns were never allowed as they could be too easily exposed. In particular, the Principal might be up on stage at a presentation. Here you are sitting behind him, your pants naturally pull up when seated, thus exposing your gun to the crowd.
(As this is Australia, we were never allowed backups anyway).
We just used our issued Glock 22's and 23's. Shoulder holsters were very popular and helped keep your pants up when carrying conms gear etc. Plenty of other basic things like suit jackets always undone. Advances, Site Officers, security room, diamond and box formations.
Hope this helps.
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FWIW, I've read that Perry Suspenders are popular with US Secret Service Special Agents on protection details because of all the gear they have to carry. Always makes me think of that bedroom scene with Clint Eastwood and Rene Russo in In the Line of Fire.
I worked with some of the Australian Federal Police CPP officers who wore suspenders were wearing a belt holster. The AFP also use to tuck a trauma bandage inside one of their socks.
It's fiction...... if a gun is going to be a major character in the story it needs to stand out. Think.....................
James Bond...... walther PPK
Dirty Harry....... 6" 29 .44mag
Lethal Weapon...... Beretta 92
Die Hard............... ^^^^^
Miami Vice..... Bren 10
Bam-Bam....... S&W 3913NL with Hogue checkered wood grip and flushfit 7rd mag, Sparks summer special holster and matching double mag pouch.......
............ sure it's 30 years old....... but as close as you can get to an ASP for less than a couple of grand.
James Bond...... walther PPK
Dirty Harry....... 6" 29 .44mag
Lethal Weapon...... Beretta 92
Die Hard............... ^^^^^
Miami Vice..... Bren 10
Bam-Bam....... S&W 3913NL with Hogue checkered wood grip and flushfit 7rd mag, Sparks summer special holster and matching double mag pouch.......
............ sure it's 30 years old....... but as close as you can get to an ASP for less than a couple of grand.
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Non-fiction (real life) doesn't make sense -- watch the news.
Fiction must make sense. If it doesn't make sense it comes across as sci-fi.
Writers and readers come in every stripe. There's no stereotype you must immulate, and you shouldn't try. Some don't like detail, and some do.
Character development and story line guide reader interest and involvement.
Good writing wins every time.
Every good writer needs a great editor.
Fiction must make sense. If it doesn't make sense it comes across as sci-fi.
Writers and readers come in every stripe. There's no stereotype you must immulate, and you shouldn't try. Some don't like detail, and some do.
Character development and story line guide reader interest and involvement.
Good writing wins every time.
Every good writer needs a great editor.
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After 30 years in LE, I did PI and security work for five years...
Primary: 6906
Backup: 6906
Hideout: Keltec P32
Right now one can buy a nice used 6906 for $450-525.00...and I have seen used P32s for $150.00...
G19s...a FRAME sold for $485 on GunBroker last week... A NIB Gen 5..$865.00...
So if he is poor..6906 gets my vote...
Bob
Primary: 6906
Backup: 6906
Hideout: Keltec P32
Right now one can buy a nice used 6906 for $450-525.00...and I have seen used P32s for $150.00...
G19s...a FRAME sold for $485 on GunBroker last week... A NIB Gen 5..$865.00...
So if he is poor..6906 gets my vote...
Bob
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Clancy and those authors he inspired were/are not normal writers. They write techno thrillers for readers who dote on that detail in ships, planes, etc.
I just finished one by Larry Bond, about a renegade Indian admiral who ordered a sub to fire Russian nuclear-tipped torpedoes into Chinese ports. Someone in the hospital gave it to me. Not a favorite, but readable.
My favorite is the former A-6 pilot turned lawyer who wrote Flight of the Intruder and its series. I liked learning the A-6 capabilities and vulnerabilities and how the crews begged for a gun for MiG protection and to strafe.
I read Clancy's, Playboy interview and learned the odds he overcame to become a success. I enjoyed his books, but they are mainly for military and buffs who like that technical detail.
I wrote some stories on FanFiction.net, mostly about, The Lost World. A UK editor chided me in reviews for mentioning gun and binocular brands and models, although not in profuse detail. I did have people loading guns correctly, one sort being a S&W M&P .38 and noted rifles like .275 Rigby and .375 H&H and other rifles. This editor pointed out that most readers were women, who didn't know or care about such things. Turned out he published romances. He never quite got it that I wasn't writing romances. I was writing jungle adventures and a murder mystery. There are romances among the cast, but the tales were basically adventures, some on safaris after the explorers left the Plateau of the show.
Male readers did like the products mentioned, and one nurse in Chicago even said she looked up the products and animals, inc. snakes, to learn more about them. If female readers just skim such stories looking for erotic scenes between Lord Roxton and their favorite heroine, that's there, too. But if that's all fans wanted, other authors concentrated on it. I don't think it hurt to say that someone used Zeiss or B&L binoculars! It wasn't a discussion of Porro vs. Abbe-Koenig prisms like I wrote in product reviews for magazines.
Look at James Bond in Fleming's books: wasn't he more complete because we knew about his preferred drinks, his Ronson lighter, the special Morland's cigarettes, his restored Bentley, his Beretta and Walther pistols, his old Scottish housekeeper?
Some readers like at least some detail. Clancy's genre of books specialized in that, for a receptive audience. On the whole, I think Ian Fleming got the balance about right.
BTW, I think Jack Higgins greatly overstates the effect of .25 ACP hollowpoint ammo...
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Every one of you has contributed to my knowledge and honestly, has given me launching points for my research. When I read, I hate when I am distracted by obvious errors that the author should not have made. I often pause my writing to research a point until I have done due diligence. I want, at least, to try to get it right.
For a wee bit different perspective, try Ian Rankin at your local library.
Good detail, but not Clancy-esque.
Best wishes with your writing.
Remember, Edison tried to make a light bulb 10,000 times before it worked.
Have fun, and enjoy.
Good detail, but not Clancy-esque.
Best wishes with your writing.
Remember, Edison tried to make a light bulb 10,000 times before it worked.
Have fun, and enjoy.
For a bodyguard.
Primary: Beretta 92
For when multiple assailants make things weird: H&K MP5
Ankle: Sig 938
All are excellent quality, shoot the same 9mm ammo available worldwide, but have different uses.
Now for a knife: The AG Russell Sting used to be considered the top of the line concealable fighting knife (mine is in reach now). The Gerber Applegate's are pretty good too.
Primary: Beretta 92
For when multiple assailants make things weird: H&K MP5
Ankle: Sig 938
All are excellent quality, shoot the same 9mm ammo available worldwide, but have different uses.
Now for a knife: The AG Russell Sting used to be considered the top of the line concealable fighting knife (mine is in reach now). The Gerber Applegate's are pretty good too.
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1 1911 style lightweight Commander Wilson Combat 45 ACP
2 S&W 37
3 Some variation of the AR-15 Carbine with 16" bbl
2 S&W 37
3 Some variation of the AR-15 Carbine with 16" bbl
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Lots of options there. FWIW, I've read that Kelly McCann, a former Marine counterterrorism expert and close combat instructor who's traveled to hot spots all over the world, said his usual pocket carry was an Emerson CQC7, IIRC. He said he modified it by making the edges of the handle more rounded and lowering the profile of the liner lock to make it less likely to unlock while handling it.
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