Please advise on second carry.

[thriftyarek888]

Hi

I am having big property over 800 acres in Colorado area. My first carry arm is 1911 s&w. But second one I am considering to be S&w 460v.

Will that be ok? thanks

Arek

 

[Hoogs]

I own a 460 XVR... If you want it dead it's hard to go past... Muzzle blast is extreme and intimating at first, however it is a gentle giant to shoot (single hand 200gr pills)... Suppose it depends on what your target is... If the 460 can't do it, not too many handguns will

 

[Iggy]

Whatcha raisin' down there, Dinosaurs?

 

[cornfed83]

While the 460 will take any game in North America having 2 full size carry guns on hand might be a little excessive. Have you considered carrying a nice .44 instead as it will nicely take care of all critters 4 legged or 2 should the need arise, and would save you the hassle of carrying 2 guns. On the other hand if the second gun will be riding in a truck or atv maybe a rifle or shotgun is the way to go for the second piece.

 

[jglsprings]

If you are managing 800 acres you need a rifle in the truck. I'm not sure what you think you are going to run into down here but, a black bear is about as "dangerous" as it gets.

 

[panamajack310]

Here is my 2 cents. If I carry in the woods I usually carry a .44 magnum. BUT.....after some research I have found that the Alaska state troopers carry 10mm's. They do this because this round can take down a grizzly bear. That said I would look into the 10mm..you can cary 9 rounds in a S&W gen 3. or 15 in a piece of combat tupperware (GLOCK)

If you are currently carrying a 1911 I would say get a 10mm 1911, made by Colt or Kimber. This way you do not have to change holsters and ammo carriers...

 

[jspick]

Let's see here. In Colorado, rural property. If in the mountains I would carry a 629 in 44 mag. Not as much recoil and muzzle blast as 460. If you need more power than a 44 mag. get a rifle.

If on the plains, your 45 will do just fine. BUT if you want a reason to get a 460 then go get one, no one says you can't YET!

If you are in western Colorado I do know there are the occasional grizzly there, but highly unlikely you would run into one. Whatever you get be sure you can shoot it well and are not afraid of it. You are better off with a gun you can shoot than a gun you can not shot because of recoil or muzzle blast.

John

 

[thriftyarek888]

Thanks. 460v takes care of any animal but it will also be a good gun for any armed hostiles. 460 bullet might not go through a bullet proof vest but will drop down any man due to the force. I also want to arm my self well against possible human intruders. 1911 45 ACP is good but 460v goes a little further in terms of stopping power.

 

[Homie]

If you run into a griz in CO., capture it- it will be better than hitting the Lotto!
Good shooting.

 

[opr1945]

"If you run into a griz in CO., capture it"

Being from back east I am curious as to how one goes about that?

Thanks

 

[ogilvyspecial]

"If you run into a griz in CO., capture it"

Being from back east I am curious as to how one goes about that?

Thanks

There are plenty of Bear threads around here.

I'm sure one has to cover the technique..

 

[ben1]

My suggestion is a chest carry for a model 29 and a Marlin 44 rifle. That combination is hard to beat and can be loaded with a number of loads that will cover the bases.

 

[cornfed83]

Thanks. 460v takes care of any animal but it will also be a good gun for any armed hostiles. 460 bullet might not go through a bullet proof vest but will drop down any man due to the force. I also want to arm my self well against possible human intruders. 1911 45 ACP is good but 460v goes a little further in terms of stopping power.

If you are worried about armed hostiles then I would definitely grab a rifle. 5.56 will defeat most soft armors but if you went with a .308 it will defeat most soft or reinforced armors as well as be an acceptable round for large or dangerous game animals.

In my opinion the 460 is not a gun that I would want for a gunfight, it is a manstopping round but its not particularly quick to get back on target, it does not reload quickly, and it only has a 5 round capacity.

If I were you I would find a .308 to keep in my truck, something magazine fed with an intermediate range scope. I'm not trying to discourage you from getting a 460 but for what you seem to be describing although it would be "enough" gun it simply is not the right gun.

 

[Warren Sear]

If you are worried about armed hostiles then I would definitely grab a rifle. 5.56 will defeat most soft armors but if you went with a .308 it will defeat most soft or reinforced armors as well as be an acceptable round for large or dangerous game animals.

In my opinion the 460 is not a gun that I would want for a gunfight, it is a manstopping round but its not particularly quick to get back on target, it does not reload quickly, and it only has a 5 round capacity.

If I were you I would find a .308 to keep in my truck, something magazine fed with an intermediate range scope. I'm not trying to discourage you from getting a 460 but for what you seem to be describing although it would be "enough" gun it simply is not the right gun.

I agree with this. Carrying a rifle makes a whole lot more sense than carrying two handguns. I would feel much more comfortable with a rifle in .308 Win than ANY handgun.

 

[tag73]

Someone mentioned 10mm/40S&W for an Alaskan outdoors gun? I just can't believe that would be an effective caliber for a hungry grizzly. 44 Mag has been the handgun answer since it came out. Maybe a hole magazine worth of 40S&W. If that's the case then, having to dish out multiple hits, then you're dealing with a VERY stressful situation. You want a 1 hit wonder up there. I've been to Alaska a few times and the preferred load then (2004) was the 44 mag being most common, 454 Casull, and the S&W500 was newer but very prevalent up there. Last time up my uncle was carrying a 629 Power Port with a 300gr load. That was his everyday outdoors gun. For him it went everywhere. He also carried a 1911 and said he'd put his life on that. You really appreciate that firepower when you're trying to fly-fish a couple hundred feet from grizzly. From what I've heard, read & seen on TV the new wild frontier guns are the 500 and 460 but the 44 is still the most common. I know if I had to go trekking where that nut case Timothy Tredwell and his girlfriend were killed... I'd be doing it with a 460S&W with a few boxes of ammo... maybe a 629 for an ankle gun LoL

 

[Cocked & Locked]

Hi

I am having big property over 800 acres in Colorado area. My first carry arm is 1911 s&w. But second one I am considering to be S&w 460v.

Will that be ok? thanks

Arek

Whatever you decide will be OK with me, Just thought I'd let you know.

 

[jspick]

If you run into a griz in CO., capture it- it will be better than hitting the Lotto!
Good shooting.

You capture it! Not me! In 1983 a guide in SW Colo. was attacked by a griz. I have seen griz tracks myself in NW Colo. No mistake on that.
There is "offical" evidence of griz in Colo. I live in MT now and deal with griz when they aren't hibernating! No I will not try to capture you one, but you can come and get one anytime you want!

Back to the OP---Get a AR-10, I think it will work the best for you, like others have said.

John

 

[STCM(SW)]

A rifle should always be the main weapon when trouble is expected.

 

[jglsprings]

A rifle should always be the main weapon when trouble is expected.

What he said. And besides, you can drive around with a rifle in the back window of your truck and no one would think a thing about it.

A 460 strapped to your hip will draw more attention than you can imagine. Especially in rural Colorado. No one thinks of guns other than tools out there.

 

[terrier]

Was born, raised and still live in Colorado. My .357 Blackhawk will do anything I need to do except hunt elk and it would do in a pinch. my .308 Marlin XS7 is all the rifle I need but I travel with a beat up old 30-30 Win.

 

[Invictus357]

If I had to manage 800 acres of land, my jeep/truck would be carrying a walkie talkie, lots of water, gas, beef jerky, a Ruger Mini-14, Maverick 88 pump and a good flashlight.

The carry weapon would be a chest carried S&W 629 44 magnum. Out in the boonies is not a good place for a FtE

Probably have a 640 tucked in somewhere too.

The 460V would be laying in my safe, highly polished and wearing a tiara.

 

[Engine49guy]

Cant go wrong with a .308 but if your spending any amount of time in the field and dont want to carry two different kinds of ammo my two favorites are the Ruger .44 Magnum Carbine and .44 Mountain gun combination.

 

[idarbc]

I agree with this. Carrying a rifle makes a whole lot more sense than carrying two handguns. I would feel much more comfortable with a rifle in .308 Win than ANY handgun.

Check out the Springfield SOCOM in 308. That is one fine weapon.

 

[oldafsp]

Somewhere out West there is a tombstone with this inscription:

Here lies Sam Jones. Bet his pistol against a rifle at 100 yards

In that part of the country, expertise with a rifle is a life saver.

 

[photoman]

I would carry one 4" Model 29. Seemed to work well for Elmer. Rifles are great but they never seem to be around when you need them.

 

[murphydog]

Depends on what you are doing when you "carry". Weight won't be an issue riding in or on a vehicle (or horse; I guess they don't complain ).

If you'll be walking, however, an 8 3/8" 460 is over 6 pounds unloaded, plus ammo and holster. Add that to the 1911, holster, magazines/carrier and ammo, and that is a lot of weight. Sounds like a good situation for a .308 Scout-type rifle as cornfed83 suggested.

 

[elm_creek_smith]

Does the 460 come with wheels?

I'm with the rifle guys. Just about anything .223/5.56 or bigger will do for bad guys, but 6.8/7.62 will handle bigger stuff and longer ranges. The Ruger Mini-14 in 6.8 SPC makes a compact, lightweight package that should handle just about anything you'll run across that needs shooting.

ECS

 

[mg357]

I suggest a s&w model 686 .357 magnum revolver with a 4 inch barrel. This particular gun is small enough that it can be carried but yet if you have to shoot it the recoil won't hurt to much.

 

[thriftyarek888]

Check out the Springfield SOCOM in 308. That is one fine weapon.

Thanks for good suggestions folks. I am new to managing large areas of open space in the wilderness of Colorado.

Springfield SOCOM in 308 looks like a rifle that could take out a bear at even 500 meters. What caliber is it? I need something powerful on the level of 1911 45 acp.

I dont understand why folk dont find 460v appropriate EDC? It can be concealed carried under arm just like 1911 45 acp. It can be accurately fired even by average build person. But most importantly it will stop safely full grown black beer or 2 within one magazine load.

Arek

 

[David LaPell]

If you plan on carrying that .460 with the 1911 you might want to get some suspenders. Personally, if you are in heavy timber where there is not alot of range I would consider a 20-inch barreled 12 gauge pump, slugs will take care of bear, and buckshot anything else. You could get a Marlin 336 in .30-30 (.35 Remington would be better) or maybe a Guide Gun in .45-70 if you anticipate big things. As far as a handgun, a .357 with stout cast bullets will get along just fine or maybe a .41 Magnum or .44 Magnum revolver. I would either get a decent Smith or Ruger Blackhawk or Super Blackhawk with 4 5/8 inch barrel. Any more than that and you might as well get some field artillery.