please, just sell the box and papers separately.

Hairy Chested Breast Beater....

If I have to sweat blood handling it, or if it's too rare and minty to be fired, you won't find it in my collection. I also don't go for the "exotics", no pre-29's, RM's, Beakart custom K-32 Target Masterpieces, I don't concern myself with these, a RM doesn't shoot any better than my ex-PD M28.:)

Not to worry... someday you'll grow out of it.
 
I could care less about the box and papers, I'm a shooter and I collect service revolvers like 581's, 10's 64's, M&P's, etc. None of mine sit in the safe, I just got done digging around in the guts of a beat up shooter grade M&P made in 1919 to replace the rebound spring, to make it a better shooter! Happiness to me is a wheelgun covered in black carbon, with deep burn rings on the cylinder face and a pile of smoking brass at my feet.

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With guns like this, do you really think I care about the box and papers? =)This one looks much better in the photo, really it's hard to tell the frost and pitting from what's left of the bluing. Someone also did some strategic filing under the barrel to "fix" a bent extractor rod as well as widening the rear sight. Today it got a new rebound spring to replace the one somebody clipped, some collectors would be aghast at a modern rebound spring being put into an M&P.It shoots to the left, so I plan to add a Wonder Sight and use it to shoot BP .38's and Cowboy Loads in my backyard. I like to use my guns for what they were intended for, I'll let the people I put in my will worry about the value.

Everyone's interests are different, some like to play "curator" and have unturned, unfired NIB Registered Magnums buried deep in a $5,000 safe in the basement. If that makes them happy, I'll leave them to it, no competition from me!

Some may call me a "bottom feeder" because I'll buy the rusted busted's and turn them into range beaters, or the ones that rode in a holster for 30 years. It doesn't bother me, most of my guns have been "out there" in the real world, working, not weighing down a safe since 1952. I have guns some "condition collectors" probably wouldn't even be in the same room as.

I'm also a Ruger fanatic, and the newer ones come in soul-less gray plastic anyway, I've got a pile of them. If someone offered me $20 a piece I'd sell those boxes today.......and I have yet to buy any Ruger that still has the yellow cardboard box.

If I have to sweat blood handling it, or if it's too rare and minty to be fired, you won't find it in my collection. I also don't go for the "exotics", no pre-29's, RM's, Beakart custom K-32 Target Masterpieces, I don't concern myself with these, a RM doesn't shoot any better than my ex-PD M28.:)

Now I know where all the guns I look for have been going. :rolleyes: Shame on you, Stantheman, for getting all those solid but homely shooters before I found them to really appreciate. As you can guess, I feel pretty much the same way you do... The last couple of Smiths I bought have been a little "condition challenged," but with a little TLC they will be ready to go right back to doing what they were born to do and I won't feel the least bit guilty doing it with them! I've been a bachelor all my life, so when my nieces and nephews inherit what little is left after my demise, it won't matter... I'll be gone and will have already had my fun with this stuff! :D That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Froggie

"Boxes? We don' need no steenkin' boxes man!"
 
To Each His Own

If the box and gun are already seperated, not much to be done. But any gun in any condition is worth more and more desirable with everything that came with it.
If you don't want to pay for the box, don't buy that gun.

Pray and Shoot Daily.
Lee Jones(Celtgun)

"Stand your ground. Do not fire unless fired upon. But if they mean to have a war, then let it begin here." - Capt. Parker to the Minutemen of the Lexington Militia before the Battle of Lexington April 19, 1775
 
It's a lot easier to find a gun without the box and papers than it is to find one with them. It would be a shame to separate a gun from its original box when that might be just the gun someone else is looking for to add to their collection. If the box and papers don't mean anything to you it should be no problem to find a decent shooter without them. Go buy that one, and leave the boxed one for someone who wants it.

I don't really consider myself a collector. I don't actively search for guns with the boxes and papers. If I stumbled up on one at a price that I could afford, I might buy it for grins and giggles, but it's not something I look for.

We all own and buy guns for our own reasons, and my reasons are no better or worse than anyone else who do so for completely different reasons. We are all part of a gun-owning community and supporters of our 2nd Amendment rights, and we need to find ways to help each other instead of cutting the legs out from under each other.
 
Just as having a box and papers will almost always cause a collector to outbid a shootist, so will not having a box and papers usually lead to a collector feeling that the nice shooter quality gun is unworthy.
It all works out in the end.
 
just don;t be surprised, many years from now when folks do NOT put the "value" as to any of your guns, that are not 'boxed' or in at least '
"cared for condition"; ride 'em hard and put 'em away wet, and they are about a notch up from current scrap metal pricing.....
all too often we see folks say," but gee why is MINE not worth anything to any of the buyers or on the market.........???" it is what it is, and your like or dislike of the box coming along with the gun is your choice, we still see today folks buy a NEW gun, and toss the box, this is human nature, but do NOT be "surprised" when the others, boxed, are worth more......name of the game.........makes the world go round.........

and of course drives the "true" collector nuts......;)
 
Good thing we're all different:)

If we were ALL shooters, or ALL high condition collectors, there wouldn't be anything for anyone:D
 
this is becoming one of my pet peaves. you see a very nice gun but...........it includes both the box and papers. oh great now I got to compete with the museum safe queen crowd.....

just a thought because I am so sick and tired of having the price rise just because somebody wants to hand down something to their grandkids who more than likely will never appreciate the hobby or their inheritance.
Sounds to me like you are tryin' to buy safe queens at shooter prices. Many in the hobby collect weapons as investments and a hedge against inflation, with NO intention of ever passing on their collection to heirs. There's no doubt that a fine weapon with box and papers commands a premium, as well it should. If that concept offends you, you should be looking to purchase weapons without such additions. I have many fine weapons that I purchased used, with no box or papers. I enjoy them, and will realize a profit when I sell them even without the box........
 
Reminds me of a guy on our Pocketwatch board when asked what was everyone's favorite watch. After a couple comments, he posted his selection and insisted that everyone should like it and gave the reasons why. You just can't tell someone else what they should like.

Here in the USA, at least for the time being, everybody gets to vote. One dollar gets you one vote. 800 dollars gets you 800 votes. So vote more and throw those nasty ole boxes away.
 
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It always happens-never fails

get the family together on a holiday like Easter and keep them together a bit too long and they get to fightin' :D Just too much togetherness!!
Settle down boys-you're gettin' momma (the guy with the GO-rilla face) upset!! ;)
Besides-we save the serious fights for the lounge!!
 
Seriously laga. A Smith & Wesson without its box p/w is like King Tut without his Tomb

Good Quote Robert!
With me the gun goes into the safe(in a sock) to use and shoot. The tool kits went into my cleaning box and the boxes/presentation cases and papers went(go) into the attic in a big box where they've been forever. A box doesn't stop me from a purchase. Its just something else to put away. All mine get used. Value can be determined after I'm taking a dirt nap.
 
The only reason I would buy a collectible gun would be to take it out of the box and shoot it. There are plenty of guns sitting in museums already.
 
I guess I don't get it...
I have a few guns I don't shoot, most I do.
I know the pride of having a 52 year old gun that is in the box it originally shipped in, and having guns that were carried in the wind and rain and sun and snow for the same amount of time....
I have scratched up dinged up stuff, and NIB stuff....
I guess I don't understand what the drama is about....
 
I usually get my guns in a box. It is seldom the original box, and I could care less. I do have a few original boxes, one wood presentation case, a few screw drivers.

When I got this box, it was full. I am slowly working my way to the bottom.

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Colby, what is the fixed sight/ shrouded ejector/square butt gun below the 2.5" model 66??

Enquiring minds want to know!

(Edited to ask above question)


The first time ever I bought a box to put together with a gun.
A 44 Military and a $200. box.
I would do it again. I shoot the gun. It is really cool. One year older than
I am.
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The gun nestled in its proper box is a sight to behold.

Opening it is like Christmas in April.
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I have ended up with many Smiths with their original boxes.
Whether I shoot them or not, I feel the value is enhanced by having
the complete package.
My attitude toward collecting and caring for my Smiths has evolved through the years. Most persons do.

Good luck, and keep the faith
Allen Frame
 
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Just as having a box and papers will almost always cause a collector to outbid a shootist, so will not having a box and papers usually lead to a collector feeling that the nice shooter quality gun is unworthy.
It all works out in the end.

This says an awful lot to me. Send me your boxes and original grips you don't use. Throw in the paperwork. One man's junk is another man's treasure.
A gun with its original box and papers is more valuable than just the gun. If a person cannot deal with the price of something the way it is, they should not complain; another will show up sooner or later. Heck: place a "want to buy" ad.
 
Allen-frame, the gun you asked about is a Taurus #65 .357 magnum. I grabbed it up and stuck it in the box thinking it was a Taurus #431 .44 special. I made a mistake, though it is in VGC and probably the best looking of the guns I bought.

I thought this S&W was a #15 but it turned out to be a pre-#18. Once again, a huge disappointment as I tried to stuff the cylinder full of .38 158 grain JHP's.

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I have the blue plastic boxes with the foam that my 64-7,10-14 and 617-7 came in:D For as much as those will increase the value, after I shoot all those guns to pieces in a few decades I can put the smoking hulks back in the boxes;)

I try to have less stress, and more fun. I had a nice MG TF that sat in my garage, would never drive it in the rain, only in the summer,obsessed over every pebble ping in the windshield, every mile I put on it...........so I sold the darn thing....... I just don't like having possessions that own me.... now I have a Dodge, I get in it, turn the key and drive it.

The whole thing with having valuable, collectible guns got to be too much so I sold them all...I would never shoot them, I felt more like a caretaker than a shooter, so I let someone else have the pleasure of letting them sit in a safe.....a near mint 1941 Johnson was one of them, also a nice 1868 50-70, 1898 Krag, some Trapdoors,along with a bunch of others. They were very historical, but to me, I had no use for guns that no one else ever saw, that I took out once a month or so to look at and put away again. I love US military weapons, but I decided just to get a semi-clone of an M4 and M16A2, because those were the weapons of MY era that I actually used.

If I kept them they would still be sitting in my safe.......I used the money to increase my pile of S&W and Ruger wheelguns...... I have learned the value of a used Ruger GP100 too. Shoot the heck out of it, clean it, put it away, repeat as necessary. No historical value, no stress, I'll never have to do anything to it but shoot it. To me, I am finally finding "Firearm Nirvana". Everyone has their own, it took me 10 years of "playing collector" and then realizing I'm a shooter, to find mine.
 
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There are shooters, there are collectors and there are collectors who shoot. As a rule, the shooters could care less about boxes, paper work, SATs and cleaning tools. Collectors on the other hand have a rabid desire to locate pristine firearms with the original box, paperwork and complete tools. Collectors who shoot seem the be able to conduct purchases either way depending on their desired end use of the model they are currently seeking. Obviously many original purchasers tossed boxes and paperwork leaving quite a few guns for the shooters. The collectors have the tough job due to their own self imposed demands and the collectors who shoot probably end up being the happiest group of the bunch because they can bat left or right.
 
lagavulin62,

Here's my thoughts (worth absolutely nothing to anyone but me).

You live in what I think is one of the best places in the WORLD to buy older, used, and collectible handguns. Especially Colts and S&Ws.

Texas has so many gunshops and gunshows I'd be permanently broke. Forever. There is probably every kind of handgun imaginable available in Texas, and at good prices, if one has the money and time to travel.

Add that to the online gun auctions and gun sales boards and a Texan who loves handguns has no excuse. All he/she has to administer is patience in my mind.

Practice diligence and patience for yourself and you will find what you want at reasonable prices.

I buy shooters, I want as nice as I can get and have gotten NIB with all the accessories for prices that I considered reasonable. I have also bought those that have no accessories or box and in excellent condition, and then I have bought a few that were "image" challenged but more importantly, mechanically perfect.

There are a ton of these guns out there. Your address says you live in Texas, I envy you.
 
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