I would invite you to attend and participate in a DT class with those you believe to be "slight built . . ."
Popularity of the 40 S&W?
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I would invite you to attend and participate in a DT class with those you believe to be "slight built . . ."
Wee Hooker
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Agreed. Here in SE MA/RI , I've met several over the years that were "petite".
ColbyBruce
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I used to deliver mail to a retired FBI agent who looked like Andre the Giant with an Elvis hair-do. I don't think she carried a gun, most likely she just ripped the arms off of perps.
I bought a Colt Lawman off her shortly after she retired, but I don't know if that was a duty gun or not.
Wee Hooker
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I'm not a huge 40 fan but do still keep and reload for four of them. One is a 5" M&P Pro, One is a Glock 35, One is a Sig 1911 and the last is a S&W 610 ( which technically is a 10mm.) Long ago, I ran a bucket of LE range brass through a Lee full length sizer to get rid of the "glocked" effect. I've now reloaded some of that brass 4-5 times with no issues. Admittedly, I load my 40 S&W rounds to lower pressures to simulate 45acp 185gr target loads. If I didn't reload them to my liking, I think 40 S&W would be history in my safe. would be long gone.
During the testing period of the model 1006 with standard loads , the recoil and blast were too much for some of the after mentioned. I made no mention of anyone being issued full power loads.other ballistics test not withstanding would have also contributed to their finding the need for a reduced load.This topic had been covered by the entire gun industry news at the time.If what you say is correct on how it really happened, then I could never have any more faith in gunwriters, gun magazines , or Smith & Wesson for all misleading us with the very same account.
sigp220.45
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Well, there you have it!
You can certainly believe what you read in the gun press. I’ll stick with what I saw and know to be true. It’s all good!
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Calliope
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Glock bulging was with older models in 40. Gen 3 and later should be fine. Google glock 40 chamber support and look at the pic's.
I'm not saying that you are wrong. How could I , you were there and I was not. It is very disturbing to me that so many credible sources have all been spinning such a misleading tale.
ColbyBruce
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sig220.45
How did you get the 10mm subgun you carried?
How did you get the 10mm subgun you carried?
sigp220.45
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I know. I don’t take it that way.
The “FBI agents couldn’t take the recoil so they loaded it down” thing has been around so long it is almost like it was chiseled in stone. It probably started with one writer speculating as to why, then answering his own question with “It must have kicked too much!” Then they quote each other and it begins.
And there may be a kernel of truth to it. John Hall and crew may have touched off a 10mm Norma round and said: Yipes! We don’t need all of that.
I’ve sat with those guys and had beers with them. They said they liked the 10mm and wanted to have all that juice available, but didn’t think it was needed for day to day street agent usage. They wanted a round that would be to the Big 10mm what the .38 +P was to their familiar .357 Magnum. Thus the 10 Lite (and ultimately the .40 S&W) came to be.
Now that I’m retired I occasionally address the stuff I hear about the Bureau, which the Bureau itself couldn’t possibly care less about. People still think you have to be a lawyer or accountant to be an agent - which was never completely true and has not been even mostly true for 40 years. I will also sometimes ride to the defense of the guys from 4/11/86 - an event almost completely awash in internet misinformation.
Anyway, I should step down from my high horse! Thanks for the interaction, my friend, and stay safe.
sigp220.45
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Every field office had some for issue. I started with one in New Orleans on a fugitive task force. Street guys that could be a little blase about a shotgun got positively bug-eyed when I pointed that little German subgun at them.
I worked Indian reservations in the wild west after that, and always used the MP5/10. I was the only one. My supervisor thought I was nuts and should have toted an AR, imagining long-range gunfights across arroyos and canyons. In reality I was pointing it at people in houses and cars, like anywhere else.
I had one until my last year, when I was on the Joint Terrorism Task Force in the big city. They wouldn’t issue me one since they expected them all to be recalled and destoyed. I had an 870 until I retired, but I sure missed that little blaster.
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I'd shoot several 40s before making a decision. I own differently sized 40s from the Walther PPS40, S&W CS40, and a couple S&W 4054s. The PPS40 starts to hurt my hand after 30 rounds. I can shoot 100 rounds through the CS40 and 4054 without a problem.
People follow fads. You can save a lot of money by going against the current now and buying a sweet 40. I just picked up a lightly used 4053 off GB for $325.
I like shooting my 9mm pistols but feel more comfortable carrying a 40cal. It really comes down to personal preference.
People follow fads. You can save a lot of money by going against the current now and buying a sweet 40. I just picked up a lightly used 4053 off GB for $325.
I like shooting my 9mm pistols but feel more comfortable carrying a 40cal. It really comes down to personal preference.
ColbyBruce
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“Street guys that could be a little blase about a shotgun got positively bug-eyed when I pointed that little German subgun at them.“
So, like Linda Beaver of the Beaver Toyota commercials, you were there to WOW them?
So, like Linda Beaver of the Beaver Toyota commercials, you were there to WOW them?
Hasn't everyone learned by now that there only needs to be the 45 ACP for handguns and the 30-06 for rifles!?
I guess 357 mag for revolvers would be OK.
I guess 357 mag for revolvers would be OK.
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I'd shoot several 40s before making a decision. I own differently sized 40s from the Walther PPS40, S&W CS40, and a couple S&W 4054s. The PPS40 starts to hurt my hand after 30 rounds. I can shoot 100 rounds through the CS40 and 4054 without a problem.
People follow fads. You can save a lot of money by going against the current now and buying a sweet 40. I just picked up a lightly used 4053 off GB for $325.
I like shooting my 9mm pistols but feel more comfortable carrying a 40cal. It really comes down to personal preference.
Good post. There's nothing wrong with a .40, or a .45, or a 9mm, or a 10mm, or a...you get the point.
Like you said, .40 suffered from the "curse of the fad". Like any fad, it's the hottest thing on the planet for a time...then a complete joke the next. It has nothing to do with the quality of the actual item. 40 never deserved all the attention if got, but it doesn't deserve the backlash either.
Personally, I don't like the .40, and yes, I've shot it in a few different firearms. The good thing is that my opinion doesn't matter.
I will say that I've seen plenty of used 40 pistols on store shelves as well as plentiful ammo. During the last ammo "OMG" panic buy, .40 will often the only ammo I could find in stores.
On a semi related note...everyone seems to be going all 10mm ga-ga now for some reason...
I knew a "slight built" FBI agent once. He was slightly over 6" and slightly over 250 lbs. A lot of muscle in that dude.
That should be 6' not 6".
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