Prepping to pass onerous qualification test in New Jersey

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Without going into all the legal and procedural details, as of July 17, 2023 New Jersey has a new law that requires ordinary carry permit holders to pass a qualification test equal that of professional law enforcement officers. There is some debate as to who must pass this very difficult qualifier when. Also, a Motion has already been filed in Federal District Court to get this new and onerous qualification requirement ruled unconstitutional.

In any event, I have decided to take two hours of private holster draw lessons at my local indoor range. This will allow me to draw and shoot at that range. After I gain proficiency I will take the new qualifier ASAP.

FYI this is copied from the actual regulation establishing the new requirements:
Appendix B
Permit to Carry Safe Handling and
Proficiency Qualification (HQC2-modified)

1. Familiarization Requirements for Each Participant.
a. Demonstrate the safe handling of weapon.
b. Demonstrate proper loading and unloading techniques.
c. Demonstrate the techniques of proper physical stance.
d. Demonstrate the techniques of good marksmanship.
2. Range - 25 yards.
3. Target - FBI type Q target, either paper or cardboard. Multiple targets may be
used at the discretion of the agency executive or supervising firearms instructor.
4. Course.
a. Total of 50 rounds per participant.
b. Double action is required for revolvers for all phases. Semi-automatics
are to be fired in the manner in which the individual weapon functions
normally and are to be decocked when changing positions or hands.
c. Reloading may take place at the discretion of the supervising firearms
instructor. Additionally, discretion may be used as to the number of
rounds with which the magazines are loaded to accomplish reloading
exercises during the course. Similarly, the sequence of rounds fired at a
given distance may be altered to accommodate a reloading exercise.
d. To achieve a passing score of 80%, the participant must place a minimum
of 40 shots within the border of the Q-target silhouette.
e. Physical or simulated barricades are recommended in Phase I and may
be used at the discretion of the certified firearms instructor during any
phase.
Phase I 25-Yard Line. Time: 30 seconds - stage 1, 25 seconds
stages 2 & 3 10 rounds.
Strong-side kneeling
Strong-side kneeling or standing
• On command, from a secured holstered position, assume the
strong-side kneeling or standing position, fire 4 rounds. (30
seconds)
---STOP TIME—
• Decock and remain behind cover with visual focus towards the
threat area.
• Reload if needed (revolvers will reload and index the cylinder)
• On command assume a kneeling or standing position and fire 3
rounds. (25 seconds)
---STOP TIME—
• Decock and remain behind cover with visual focus towards the
threat area. Reload if necessary
• On command fire 3 rounds, standing or kneeling (25
seconds)
---STOP TIME---
• Reload if required and holster an uncocked weapon.
• Reload loading devices.
Phase II 15-Yard Line. Time: 5 seconds. 3 rounds.
Point shoulder position.
• On command, from a secured holster position, draw and fire 3
rounds in 5 seconds from a point shoulder position.
---STOP TIME---
• Reholster an uncocked weapon.
Phase III 15-Yard Line. Time: 25 seconds. 7 rounds.
Point shoulder position.
Strong-side kneeling position.
• On command, from a secured holster position, draw and fire 3
rounds from a point shoulder position.
• Assume a strong-side kneeling position. Reload with 4 rounds,
index if required, and fire 4 rounds from a strong-side kneeling
position.
---STOP TIME---
• Reload if required and holster an uncocked weapon.
• Reload loading devices.
Phase IV 10-Yard Line. Ready Position.
Each drill, Time: 3 seconds. 2 rounds.
(Total 6 rounds).
• On command, draw weapon and assume a ready position, i.e.,
muzzle depressed below eye level.
• On command, bring weapon up to eye level and fire 2 rounds in 3
seconds. Repeat drill twice, firing a total of 6 rounds.
---STOP TIME---
• Reload if required and holster an uncocked weapon.
• Reload loading devices.
Phase V 7-Yard Line. Time: 4 seconds. 3 rounds.
Standing point shoulder position.
• On command, from a secured holster position draw and fire 3
rounds in 4 seconds from a standing point shoulder position.
---STOP TIME---
• Reholster an uncocked weapon.
Phase VI 7-Yard Line. Time: 15 seconds. 6 rounds.
Standing point shoulder position. Mandatory reload/magazine
change
• On command, from a secured holster position, draw and fire 3
rounds from a standing point shoulder position.
• Reload and fire 3 more rounds within the 15 second time period.
---STOP TIME---
• Reholster an uncocked weapon.
Phase VII 7-Yard Line. Time: 4 seconds. 3 rounds.
Standing point shoulder position.
• On command, from a secured holster position, draw and fire 3
rounds in 4 seconds from a standing point shoulder position.
---STOP TIME---
• Reload if required and holster an uncocked weapon.
• Reload loading devices.
Phase VIII 5-Yard Line. One-handed - Strong hand.
Each drill, Time: 4 seconds. 2 rounds.
(Total 4 rounds).
• On command, draw and fire 2 rounds using only the strong hand.
• Reholster an uncocked weapon
• Repeat once.
• Reload if required and holster an uncocked weapon.
Phase IX 5-Yard Line. One-handed - Support hand.
Each drill, Time: 3 seconds. 2 rounds.
(Total 4 rounds).
• On command, draw and transfer the weapon to the support
hand. Assume a ready position.
• On command fire 2 rounds using only the support hand. Return
to ready (The strong arm should be limp along the body).
• Repeat once.
• Reload if required and holster an uncocked weapon
Phase X 1-Yard Line (or as close to 1-yard line as safety dictates).
Weapon Retention Position. (Begin with the support hand across
the chest with the hand grasping the collar of the shooter’s shirt.)
Each drill, Time: 2 seconds. 2 rounds.
(Total 4 rounds).
• On command, draw and fire 2 rounds in 2 seconds from
the weapon retention position.
• Reholster an uncocked weapon.
• Repeat drill once, firing a total of 4 rounds.
• Clear all weapons. Holster a safe, empty weapon.
---END OF COURSE---

The above requirements are officially listed here beginning at p. 11

If you think this is confusing you are correct
 
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First off I think it’s outrageous that you need to do this and don’t believe you should need to pass a test like this to exercise a constitutional right.

The courses of fire don’t look too too bad assuming 2 things: you’re using a semi automatic weapon for the reload courses of fire and you’re allowed to wear a service belt with magazine holsters over your clothing.

The courses of fire look relatively similar to what we do in the navy and those have always been a joke. We have total morons pass on a practically guaranteed basis. We shoot out to 15 yards but it looks like you have so much time at the 25 yard line that those should be guaranteed points hits. It also doesn’t look like it matters where you hit as long as it’s within the q target outline? The wording is confusing.

I don’t know if I would pass this with my CCW setup but I could do it in an open carry semi automatic setup easily. I carry a revolver with no reloads in the real world and I think that’s completely reasonable. This course of fire seems more relevant to non civilian situations.

I guess what I’m trying to say is that you can easily pass this given a little training and depending on what their rules for weapon and reload set up are. If it’s all supposed to be concealed and you need to only certify on exactly how you’ll carry that’s outrageous. I also have a problem with them regulating what type of action you can fire in. This isn’t a military operation or watch and it isn’t law enforcement. A civilian CCW situation is drastically different. They shouldnt make you reload at all, the odds of you needing to perform a tactical reload and then shoot offhand are mathematically non existent and irrelevant to your right to keep and bear arms.
 
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The legislature makes the paperwork approval timeline shorter to get a carry permit; then, lays this minefield down so most people won't bother going after a permit.

I'd be researching the sponsors of this bill and the members that voted to pass it. Then, I'd spend a few bucks on a private investigator to open some closet doors.
 
Seems harder to read th requirements than it would be to pass the test
I’m pretty sure I would pass this test cold , but I’d have to reread the test a couple times :-)
If a guy couldn’t pass this test , he should practice more .
 
That's not a difficult qual shoot. It's the standard for LE in your state and something similar is often used by agencies nationwide.
Altho it is kind of funny when people say they can shoot better than cops yet when they see a course of fire like that they claim "cops couldn't even qualify on that." Yeah they can and do. And have to.
Now, whether that course of fire is necessary for a CCW is another matter open for debate.
 
Browsing thru the qualifications standard, I noted several stages require kneeling. How does that work if you are handicapped? What about the ability to use both hands? Have provisions been made to handle those situations, or are such folks now unsuitable to carry a handgun?

Frankly, not a hard course for many, but for new or inexperienced shooters, or those lacking a duty rig, maybe not so much.

Maybe the right to free speech should require a literacy test, or the right to vote a dexterity qualification first, to protect you from pushing the wrong button, or pulling the wrong lever.....

Larry
 
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25 yard qualifications?

If you shoot someone from 25 yards there's a strong likelihood you're going to jail.

So the woman who wants a j-frame in her purse in the case of a mugging-but is not a gun enthusiast-and likely won't make any shots over 10-20 feet has to qualify at 75 feet in double action with a snub nose?

I'm with Breakaway, move to another state. With the genius's making laws like that, there's no hope for your state.

Come to Georgia...no permit required for concealed carry if legally eligible to own a firearm.
 
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State seems like the absolute Pits. Anything to discourage people is of course the reason. A move to a different gun friendly state is the best way out.
Except that most people either cannot move , or just plain do not want to . It's a shame that leaving your home is the best way to deal with ridiculous gun laws . Most people just want to live their life and be left alone .
 
That's the most absurd requirement for handgun ownership I have seen anywhere. Amazingly, here in the gun-friendly state of Mississippi you have to take a concealed carry qualification course or have prior training documentation from the military to have a concealed carry permit. I have weapons training from my USAF service, but decided to take the qualification course anyway. It was vastly different than my military training. Half the course was in the classroom (four hours) on weapons handling, the decision to use deadly force and state law governing such use. Then there four hours of range time some dry fire holster drills and about 35 rounds of live fire on large silhouette target. The focus was on draw, aim and rapid fire. None of the ranges exceeded 15 yards and most of it was up close and personal at 5-10 yards. It wasn't an FBI qualification course which is what the NJ course appears to be.
 
Reminds me of one of the favorite sayings here in MD..."We suck less than NJ!" 14 hour class if not training exempt and shoot at the same Q target at 10 yards from low ready, no holster. Currently MD is "shall issue" but trying to get around Bruen by making the entire state a "Sensitive" area.
 
What are the dimensions of "within the border of the Q-target silhouette?"

("To achieve a passing score of 80%, the participant must place a minimum of 40 shots within the border of the Q-target silhouette.")
 
What are the dimensions of "within the border of the Q-target silhouette?"

("To achieve a passing score of 80%, the participant must place a minimum of 40 shots within the border of the Q-target silhouette.")

A Q target is about the size of a slender adult’s head neck and torso.
 
I guess I’d fail since I don’t know how to decock my 1911’s.

My 1911’s must be defective since Colt forgot to install the decocking devices NJ apparently requires.
 
It would appear those in "power" would be A LOT happier if there were no guns----never mind having mere citizens walking around "packing".

We too, in Tennessee, were obliged to pass a class of sorts, ending up with live fire of 48 rounds (if memory serves) at a FULL SIZE silhouette target at a whopping 7 yards----keeping all rounds within scoring areas----somewhere. Many, if not most of the folks, apparently fearful of failing, showed up with .22's---and fired slowly and carefully. Perhaps motivated by the opportunity to show off, I showed up with my regular, everyday 1911 Government Model---and a handful of loaded clips, and proceeded to fire away as fast (and as loudly) as I could---placing all rounds within the little scoring area within "center mass"---I mean--7 YARDS???!!!! Give me a break!!

The instructor came down the line, checking results. He shook his head and scowled when he saw my target. To this day, I don't know why he scowled----might be he recognized showing off.

Ralph Tremaine
 
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