Rastoff's Challenge- Dropping the Gauntlet

[Waywatcher]

The course of fire is:

• 4 shots from 3 yards
• 6 shots from 5 yards
• 6 shots from 7 yards
• 4 shots from 10 yards

I will do this on my next range trip. But why 4/6/6/4? It's very unfriendly to snubbies; 5/5/5/5 would be much simpler.

 

[David R]

I will do this on my next range trip. But why 4/6/6/4? It's very unfriendly to snubbies; 5/5/5/5 would be much simpler.

HEY, Shshhhh. That last target I posted, the 4 shots out of the group were from 10 yards (the last 4) and now you want to make it 5?

Love my model 15. Maybe I should try it with the model 25 next.

David

 

[schgsd]

Haven't been able to run across any B27 targets locally. So I created this just now. The inner ring is regulation 2" x 3" per the challenge. Print full size to 8 1/2" x 11" paper.

 

[Shorty 45 MK2]

I will do this on my next range trip. But why 4/6/6/4? It's very unfriendly to snubbies; 5/5/5/5 would be much simpler.

Unless you have a K snub!

 

[Muss Muggins]

Update: Got a couple more shots off this week. Hope to be done Sunday.

 

[Rastoff]

I will do this on my next range trip. But why 4/6/6/4? It's very unfriendly to snubbies; 5/5/5/5 would be much simpler.

You know, I discovered this in my very first class, but then forgot about it. One of my students had an LCR. Because there were other students in the class, I just had him load one extra round at 5 and 7 yards.

If you want to shoot 5, 5, 5, 5, it's OK with me.

Haven't been able to run across any B27 targets locally. So I created this just now. The inner ring is regulation 2" x 3" per the challenge. Print full size to 8 1/2" x 11" paper.

Thanks for that. This makes a standardized target that anyone can use. Of course, any group is fine as long as it's measured. properly.

Now, David R has picked up the gauntlet with a vengeance. David, you have made me get out my ruler. Your first group was close enough to make me get out the "power" tools.

First I broke out an actual target and measured the orange with better precision:
The height is 2 15/16"

The width is 2 1/16"

Then I got out the computerized group measuring tool:

Here's my group:

Here's David's:

(Ignore the MOA indication. It is invalid because of the changing distances. The group size is what it is, but MOA is calculated based on distance.)

The proper way to measure a group is center to center. This eliminates any caliber bias. As you can see, David is dangerously close to beating me. His group is 1.73" while mine is 1.68". Without the resolution the computer aide gives us, they can't be told apart.

So, as you can see, it can be done. Now, someone DO IT!!

 

[hoc9sw]

I went to the range tonight. First trip since a major overhaul to my trifocal prescription, arthritis is kicking me while I'm down, new chemo started yesterday.

Did good for an almost-dead old fart, but not good enough to make any challenge here.

I'll give a photo a try tomorrow. I can be rightfully shamed by the best of them.

 

[Rastoff]

hoc9sw,
First of all, you have my prayers and sympathy. Cancer is no joke. Thanks for being here.
Second, you are far ahead of most on this forum; you did it. Most won't even try.

If you want me to post a pic for you, email it to me: [email protected]

 

[Rastoff]

Hehehe. As the bodyguard said to the son of the Russian mob boss who had just said he wasn't skerrt of John Wick...."You should be!"

Size XL please, and I already know which pants I'll be wearing it with. Just put it aside for a day or two - I'm going to the range TOMORROW!!!

Well? It's tomorrow and I don't see any pics from you. Why not?

 

[hoc9sw]

I work in IT, but am about as useless for the internet as one can be. I am your guy for protecting real servers.

So my real camera photos sort of suck. No, worse.

Both -
9 ring (the red zone) is 5.6 inches.
10 ring is (about) 3.25

Fired the Rastoff spec round, first with a Shield 9mm (have to have an S&W here) with Remington UMC 115g JHP.
Then with my Sig C3 (1911 .45acp, Federal 230 FMJ from the 100 round bulk pack).

I got nothing on most of you. I did qualify expert marksman in 1968, but I'm in trifocals with cataracts and an unhealthy dose of arthritis and cancer these days, so time has taken its expected share.

I won't win any contests, except with the guy who wants a piece of me.

 

[hoc9sw]

I'll add - I asked the RO to be my judge, and we took the first target with each pistol. I might have done better later, but a test is a test, and the guys were happy just the same. Seems that they see worse.

 

[snowman]

I too haven't been able to find these B27 targets around here. I would like to participate but I don't need any other supplies right now that would justify the hefty shipping charge I would incur by ordering these targets by themselves. I will check a few other places, but if anyone has a suggestion I would welcome it. I could draw a rectangular mark of the correct size with a felt-tip marker on a sheet of paper if that would be acceptable.

Regards,
Andy

 

[hoc9sw]

WalMart should have the B27 in a 10 pack for just under $10. I forgot mine, so shot with what I had. May try again this afternoon.

 

[Rastoff]

Andy,
You don't need a B-27, any piece of paper will do. The only thing I ask is to have some kind of reference so I can measure the group. In fact, the one made by schgsd above would be prefect.

I'm just glad to see guys getting out and shooting.

 

[Protected One]

Finally got a chance to post pics...

The target below was shot with my EDC (Shield 9mm), and the results, while good for combat shooting, was not as good as I expected. I shot one target and discovered that I was not seeing it well enough at 10 yards to put all rounds inside the ring. So I reversed the drill and started at 10 yards, working my way in. The hope was that a unfired on target might improve my visibility. I don't know that it helped, and the shorter barrel length and sight radius didn't help either. All the rounds outside the small oval were the 10 yard shots.

I may shoot the drill again tomorrow, but I think I'll tip my cap to Rastoff and say - "You the man"

Ironically, I went to the archery range today and was "money" from 10 yards.

 

[Rastoff]

Nice shooting there Protected One. Still, a little short of the mark.

I'm really glad to see several of you getting out and shooting. That's really what this is all about; challenging yourself.

I'm gonna let this run through the weekend then the shirt will be given away. If someone tells me to give them a little more time, I will.

Tomorrow I'm going to start working on a new challenge. It will be better than this one!

 

[MattO]

Man! I sure expected alot more people on this forum to participate. Guess we have more "talkers", than "shooters", huh?

I just found this thread, and will do it next week when I go to the range. In fact I'll do it with three different guns. But I will do it all at 7 and 10 yards. I don't like to shoot at the range at the 3 yard mark. I always laugh at the girls and guys doing that. Since we can't "draw" from the holster at the indoor range(their rule) trying to simulate self defense shooting at 3 yards is useless.

I'll use my smith and wesson M&P 40c which is one EDC. I'll use my ruger SP101 which is the other I use. And either my Model 15 or just for giggles I'll get out my Hi Pointe .40 S&W and shoot it.

 

[Rastoff]

Here's another target you can use. I just made this and if it's printed on standard 8.5"x11" paper it will yield a 2"x3" center to shoot at.

 

[schgsd]

Sigh, I so wanna just get out and ventilate some paper.

 

[snowman]

And, we all have lives beyond this forum. It will take a little while for some of us to filter our way to the range.

That would describe me, sir.

I'm gonna let this run through the weekend then the shirt will be given away. If someone tells me to give them a little more time, I will.

I have no interest in your shirt, but I won't be able to get to the range until sometime next week. That's just the way things are in my situation. I'll see what I can do.

Thank you, sir.
Andy