Magload
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Very nice!!!!
Thank you.
Rastoff's Challenge- Dropping the Gauntlet
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Rastoff
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Nice shooting Magload! Thanks for taking the time to join us.
Magload
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Thanks I been wanting to do this but the range I shoot at doesn't carry B27 targets so had to go into town to get them. Since they came in a 10 pack I am going to try the challenge one handed and also with my 40 Shield. It was really to easy with the Gold Cup and I found myself shooting it faster then I meant to. Going to try the Challenge II if I can get the indoor range to myself and the cell phone app to work right. Don
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Rastoff
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Not to anyone in particular...
You know, investing in a decent shot timer isn't a bad idea.
What makes this challenge is precision and mental acuity. If you can keep your focus, apply the fundamentals and don't rush, this is completely do-able. That's only one part of the game though.
A timer is a whole 'nuther bucket-o-pickles. It adds pressure that is not obtainable otherwise. No, it's not like having someone shoot back at you, but it is the great equalizer.
The great thing about a good shot timer is flexibility. I have shot with four other people next to me and my timer only picked up my shots. That might not work indoors though. Even if it doesn't register the shots, you can still hear the beeps. Just try to beat the second beep.
This is the one I use: [ame="http://www.amazon.com/Pocket-Pro-Timer-II-CEI001/dp/B00LAF7GSI"]Amazon.com: Competition Electronics CEI-4700 Pocket Pro II Timer, Blue: Sports & Outdoors@@AMEPARAM@@http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41ypVGxPcIL.@@AMEPARAM@@41ypVGxPcIL[/ame]
It's easy to read, easy to set, easy to change. My shooting improved dramatically when I started to use it. Yeah, it's about $115, but worth every penny.
You know, investing in a decent shot timer isn't a bad idea.
What makes this challenge is precision and mental acuity. If you can keep your focus, apply the fundamentals and don't rush, this is completely do-able. That's only one part of the game though.
A timer is a whole 'nuther bucket-o-pickles. It adds pressure that is not obtainable otherwise. No, it's not like having someone shoot back at you, but it is the great equalizer.
The great thing about a good shot timer is flexibility. I have shot with four other people next to me and my timer only picked up my shots. That might not work indoors though. Even if it doesn't register the shots, you can still hear the beeps. Just try to beat the second beep.
This is the one I use: [ame="http://www.amazon.com/Pocket-Pro-Timer-II-CEI001/dp/B00LAF7GSI"]Amazon.com: Competition Electronics CEI-4700 Pocket Pro II Timer, Blue: Sports & Outdoors@@AMEPARAM@@http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41ypVGxPcIL.@@AMEPARAM@@41ypVGxPcIL[/ame]
It's easy to read, easy to set, easy to change. My shooting improved dramatically when I started to use it. Yeah, it's about $115, but worth every penny.
Magload
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If I could just quit buying guns there is a shot timer on my list I might get that far down the list but got to have a AR 15 OR this next month as a the house mortgage gets paid off and it is a burn the mortgage present to myself. Don
I shot using a shot timer for the first time last weekend. It certainly adds a layer to shooting!
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Rastoff
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Congratulations!!!
SixShooter14
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Paid the mortgage? That's great...
I paid my student loans off last month...now I'm shopping for a Harley
Update: I bought one Friday a '92 Softail
I paid my student loans off last month...now I'm shopping for a Harley
Update: I bought one Friday a '92 Softail
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Magload
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I should sell mine I am having a hard time riding it with my bad left knee. Never sure what will happen when I put that leg down. I could but the custom 1911s I been wanting. Don
Ole Joe Clark
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Well, here it is, my Rastoff's Challenge target from this morning. Shot cold, per the Challenge rules with my SW40VE. Not great, but it is what it is.
Thanks for the challenge Rastoff.
Leon
Thanks for the challenge Rastoff.
Leon
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Gee whiz, I only became aware of this Challenge a few weeks ago. I never click on the "Concealed..." portion of the site. I just happened to see David R's reply to this in the e-mailed newsletter. So, I looked at it and have been itching to get to the range to try. (David R usually has a snubby challenge, and others, going on in the Competitive Shooting section. I cheerfully come in near last on all of these.)
I modified my CAD target to include a 2" x 3" oval, printed a bunch off and got to the range today. Boy, did I learn a thing or two.
Now, I've only been shooting about 2-3 years. Last year, I got bitten by the 1911 bug, and my revolvers kinda sit in my little safe.
Here goes- I used my Kimber on three targets... here are my best two.
Now, I have a S&W 686-2 4" that I just love. And it's a joy to shoot. I thought "Hey! I can do much better with this revolver."
As I got ready, I thought, "Whoa! Double action! Gotta shoot revolvers double action." And I was terrible at it. Occurred to me that when I take this 686 to the range, I just shoot it entirely single action.
Very humbling.
My first targets are on their way to the landfill. The one on the left was my best double action. Well, I had 18 rounds left so I did most of the challenge single action only, if just to help my pride a little.
This was fun!
I modified my CAD target to include a 2" x 3" oval, printed a bunch off and got to the range today. Boy, did I learn a thing or two.
Now, I've only been shooting about 2-3 years. Last year, I got bitten by the 1911 bug, and my revolvers kinda sit in my little safe.
Here goes- I used my Kimber on three targets... here are my best two.
Now, I have a S&W 686-2 4" that I just love. And it's a joy to shoot. I thought "Hey! I can do much better with this revolver."
As I got ready, I thought, "Whoa! Double action! Gotta shoot revolvers double action." And I was terrible at it. Occurred to me that when I take this 686 to the range, I just shoot it entirely single action.
Very humbling.
My first targets are on their way to the landfill. The one on the left was my best double action. Well, I had 18 rounds left so I did most of the challenge single action only, if just to help my pride a little.
This was fun!
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Nice job H F........nice to see more participation. The 10 yd stage caused me some issues the first four time I shot it. I started working on the 10 yd stage only and then did my best after that.
I'm headed out to shoot a bit today, just some quick first shot and double tap drills.
I'm headed out to shoot a bit today, just some quick first shot and double tap drills.
Ole Joe Clark
Absent Comrade
Remember Rastoff's suggested rules say to shoot cold, no warm ups. I did my challenge first thing, no warm ups, no dry firing, no nothing.
Maybe I'll try my revolver next time.
Maybe I'll try my revolver next time.
Magload
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I am going to give the GP-100 a try I shoot it petty well at DA. I too was worried about the 4 ten yards shots but pulled the one shot at 7yds. (post #262) and really didn't feel to bad about it as it was at 2 o'clock just out and I normally miss low. Shooting the Gold Cup NM at this distance is almost to easy. We got a 20yd BE challange going on this next week at the indoor range I belong to. Looking forward to that. Don
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Rastoff
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Shooting it cold lets us know, at least a little, how we might do on the street. When I go to practice, I consider the first controlled pair to be the most important. Because that one is cold, it most closely represents how I might do when in a real situation. So, pay close attention to those first two and practice from there.
There's nothing wrong with saying "double tap" on the surface, but it is ambiguous and doesn't help our mindset. Rather use the term "controlled pair" to describe two rapid shots.
Almost all of shooting is a mental exercise. The truth is, the least expensive gun has the ability to shoot better than we can. So, we have to work on what we do mentally. A controlled pair is different from a double tap. It's different in that it's deliberate.
A controlled pair still is made up of two shots, but it includes every aspect of shooting. All the fundamentals are there. As the gun is brought up, the proper sight alignment, sight picture and trigger control is used. As the shooter recovers from the first recoil impulse, the proper sight alignment, sight picture and trigger control is maintained. Then the trigger is let out just far enough to reset the sear, maybe a tiny bit more, and then pressed again. As the shooter recovers from the second recoil impulse, a third sight picture is obtained. This third (and even the second) sight picture is the follow through that is necessary to ensure the proper shooting form is maintained throughout the shot.
Yes, in a defensive situation you won't think of all these things. This is why we practice them more slowly at the range. It ingrains these movements so you don't have to think about them; they come naturally.
Hmmm, I have an idea...
This is the OCD or Super Picky part of me coming out, but bear with me for a second. I'd like to remove the term "double tap" from your vocabulary.I'm headed out to shoot a bit today, just some quick first shot and double tap drills.
There's nothing wrong with saying "double tap" on the surface, but it is ambiguous and doesn't help our mindset. Rather use the term "controlled pair" to describe two rapid shots.
Almost all of shooting is a mental exercise. The truth is, the least expensive gun has the ability to shoot better than we can. So, we have to work on what we do mentally. A controlled pair is different from a double tap. It's different in that it's deliberate.
A controlled pair still is made up of two shots, but it includes every aspect of shooting. All the fundamentals are there. As the gun is brought up, the proper sight alignment, sight picture and trigger control is used. As the shooter recovers from the first recoil impulse, the proper sight alignment, sight picture and trigger control is maintained. Then the trigger is let out just far enough to reset the sear, maybe a tiny bit more, and then pressed again. As the shooter recovers from the second recoil impulse, a third sight picture is obtained. This third (and even the second) sight picture is the follow through that is necessary to ensure the proper shooting form is maintained throughout the shot.
Yes, in a defensive situation you won't think of all these things. This is why we practice them more slowly at the range. It ingrains these movements so you don't have to think about them; they come naturally.
Hmmm, I have an idea...
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When Restoff first posted this challenge it was too darn cold and "white" here in Pa. to shoot outdoors...... and then a crazy busy and "wet" spring and summer........
Following up on Restoff's post above.......................... shooting cold.........
Yesterday we (wife and I ) attended a Sportsman's Club shoot for "elected state and local officials" to introduce them to firearms..... from target .22 autos and 9mm and .357 pistols..... to IDPA ........ ARs even some full auto ARs.
My wife runs a State Rep's home office .....I was there to carry her phone. So I tried to maintain a low profile......when asked if we'd shot before the wife would say " Some revolver, my husband a lot more"..........
Anyway got a chance to shoot the 2 stage IDPA course....... 5yds ( three targets/ 6 rounds) and 7-8 yds ( 10 rounds at 5 targets/2 covered by no shoots while shooting out a window; a cutting the pie drill).
All "double taps" or as Rastoff would say....... "controlled pairs"
The ringer was:I haven't really shot since November and they were supplying the guns and ammo........(when we shot at the "basic pistol" display...... I had a nice 3x2 inch 10 rounds/7-10 seconds group at 10 yds out of a CZ -75..... but 3-5 inches right (3 O'clock) of center. (after 3 shots....just decided to shoot for a group vs. changing my POA)
At IDPA I did OK with 16 "A hits" (no added time ) and did the second drill in 6-7 seconds..........
When I was done the Instructor/range officer said "You've done this before..... right?" I had to come clean and admit I had done IDPA,USPSA and PPC (over 3 decades) but nothing in in maybe 5-7 years ( young kids and Sunday family time). He said to his buddies "I thought he might be a ringer when he chose my Browning HP over the Glocks and S&W M&Ps on the table". (I'd spotted the custom sights, hammer and safety.... and asked about the mag safety...) He said that almost every other "shooter" wanted to shoot one of the Glocks; go figure.
I was pleased with my performance ..... after not shooting for 8-9 months (long story)
Anyway got invited to the Club's next IDPA match......the Club is only 35 minutes from home vs. the one I use to do which was an hour and twenty minutes away........... with the wife's encouragement..... I think I'm back in the game.....
Following up on Restoff's post above.......................... shooting cold.........
Yesterday we (wife and I ) attended a Sportsman's Club shoot for "elected state and local officials" to introduce them to firearms..... from target .22 autos and 9mm and .357 pistols..... to IDPA ........ ARs even some full auto ARs.
My wife runs a State Rep's home office .....I was there to carry her phone. So I tried to maintain a low profile......when asked if we'd shot before the wife would say " Some revolver, my husband a lot more"..........
Anyway got a chance to shoot the 2 stage IDPA course....... 5yds ( three targets/ 6 rounds) and 7-8 yds ( 10 rounds at 5 targets/2 covered by no shoots while shooting out a window; a cutting the pie drill).
All "double taps" or as Rastoff would say....... "controlled pairs"
The ringer was:I haven't really shot since November and they were supplying the guns and ammo........(when we shot at the "basic pistol" display...... I had a nice 3x2 inch 10 rounds/7-10 seconds group at 10 yds out of a CZ -75..... but 3-5 inches right (3 O'clock) of center. (after 3 shots....just decided to shoot for a group vs. changing my POA)
At IDPA I did OK with 16 "A hits" (no added time ) and did the second drill in 6-7 seconds..........
When I was done the Instructor/range officer said "You've done this before..... right?" I had to come clean and admit I had done IDPA,USPSA and PPC (over 3 decades) but nothing in in maybe 5-7 years ( young kids and Sunday family time). He said to his buddies "I thought he might be a ringer when he chose my Browning HP over the Glocks and S&W M&Ps on the table". (I'd spotted the custom sights, hammer and safety.... and asked about the mag safety...) He said that almost every other "shooter" wanted to shoot one of the Glocks; go figure.
I was pleased with my performance ..... after not shooting for 8-9 months (long story)
Anyway got invited to the Club's next IDPA match......the Club is only 35 minutes from home vs. the one I use to do which was an hour and twenty minutes away........... with the wife's encouragement..... I think I'm back in the game.....
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