Rastoff's Challenge II

[moxie]

ISCS yoda,

TacPro is only a few hours west of you, just off I-20. They've got a schoolhouse with a 25 yd. range, no tables, and two 50 yd. ranges, no tables. No rules, just keep it safe. Drawing from your holster is perfectly OK. All outdoors.

tacproshootingcenter.com

 

[Rastoff]

Hey, good shooting ContinentalOp. I'm glad you were able to get out and shoot it. What kind of times did you get? Did you use a timer or just guess (which is fine)?

I'm surprised that you're the only one to even try. Lots of complaints the first challenge was too easy (none of those that complained about that actually posted a target). Lots of discussion about how this target isn't good enough. Yet, only one has actually tried it. Hmmm, I guess they're all just full of talk and no action.

Come on guys, I did it and posted my target. I don't think I'm a great shot, but at least I was willing to put my shooting where my mouth is. Lots of talk, but very few actual shooters. I guess it's all just talk then...?

 

[schgsd]

Oh I'll be doing this, but as one of your "Brethren in the East" I haven't seen temps go above 40 yet this year. I need some bare ground showin brother.

 

[RobzGuns]

I usually run this 'TX' run once a Month, just for the heck of it, but never actually take pics of my results.

Since I'm picking up a new Blackhawk Convertible next week, I'll run the challenge with it and see how I do with a handgun I'm completely unfamiliar with... and one with my Shield.
(remember to take pics... remember to take pics... Remember...)

 

[ContinentalOp]

Hey, good shooting ContinentalOp. I'm glad you were able to get out and shoot it. What kind of times did you get? Did you use a timer or just guess (which is fine)?

Thanks.

I don't have a timer so I don't know what my times were, but the range I went to has programmable turning targets. I set them to expose the targets for the time limits on each string. If the time limit was 2 seconds it would start with the edge toward me, expose the target for 2 seconds, then turn back to the edge, so it added some reaction practice, too. It definitely made it more challenging.

 

[Rastoff]

Oh I'll be doing this, but as one of your "Brethren in the East" I haven't seen temps go above 40 yet this year. I need some bare ground showin brother.

Gotcha. I completely understand. I dislike shooting in the cold too.

(remember to take pics... remember to take pics... Remember...)

If you don't, just tell us you did it and how you did it. We won't hold "no pics" against you...much.

...the range I went to has programmable turning targets.

That would be totally awesome! I wish I had that here.

 

[ContinentalOp]

That would be totally awesome! I wish I had that here.

It's definitely nice to have that option. Unfortunately it's range fee is 50% more than my usual range, plus it's further away. I definitely plan on returning, though. There's a little baseline drill I've always wanted to try and the turning targets would be perfect for it.

 

[Rastoff]

There's a little baseline drill I've always wanted to try and the turning targets would be perfect for it.

Try this:
3 yards, from the holster- 1.6 seconds - CP
5 yards, from the holster- 1.8 seconds - CP
5 yards, from the low ready- 1.4 seconds - CP
5 yards, from the holster- 2 seconds- HS
7 yards, from the holster- 2.4 seconds- CP
7 yards, from the holster- 2.6 seconds- HS
10 yards, from the holster- 3 seconds- CP
10 yards, from the holster- 3.4 seconds- HS
15 yards, from the holster- 3.8 seconds- CP

CP= Controlled Pair
HS= Head Shot (center of head in a 3"x4" box)

I didn't include "failure to stop" shots because I don't know how much you can program into the targets.

This is really ratcheting to the next level. These are the times I strive for and what we all should work at. With the turning targets this becomes real. You can't shoot after the time because the target isn't there. The turning targets really add stress and make the practice more valuable.

 

[ContinentalOp]

Try this:

I didn't include "failure to stop" shots because I don't know how much you can program into the targets.

This is really ratcheting to the next level. These are the times I strive for and what we all should work at. With the turning targets this becomes real. You can't shoot after the time because the target isn't there. The turning targets really add stress and make the practice more valuable.

Thanks for the drills. Just the type of thing I was going to try. The specific drill I was going to try is almost exactly like the first one you listed: React, draw from concealment, fire 2 shots into an IPSC A-zone, from 2 yards, in 2 seconds or less. I first read about it maybe 20 years ago or so. At the time it was called a 2-2-2 drill but I think that refers to a different exercise now. An instructor used it as a baseline drill to assess his students' performances.

I'm going to give them a try next time I can get to that range. I may round up your times, though. At least to start with.

 

[hoc9sw]

I ran the TX qualification "for grins" with some office friends.

I fired the test using a 9mm (Taurus PT92) I had been sent to the range with by a co-worker, as he was concerned / convince that my service .45 would tear up my arthritic hands. I had not fired a handgun in 26 years.

I qualified at 249 of 250. Granted for someone who fired expert marksman in 1969, it would be the shame of a lifetime, but reality has settled in with cancer today.

My OCS range officer would have put me on KP for such a mess, but I was happy all the rounds were on paper.

I'll try to find the target and post a pick. I can take a public shaming.

 

[RobzGuns]

Well... I finally picked up the new Blackhawk Convertible, so I ran the TX CHL routine with it twice... Once with the 38/357 cylinder and once with the 9mm cylinder.

This was the very 1st time shooting any Blackhawk.

at 3' and 15', everything was in the orange (as I'd expect).
Things opened up a bit @ 21' and 30', but was able to keep everything in the Black.
The target used was a standard range target. The Black (9 ring) area is 5.5" in diameter.

 

[Rastoff]

Nice shooting RobzGuns, but which challenge did you shoot? This one only has three distances; 3 yards, 7 yards and 15 yards. Maybe you were doing the original challenge, but posted your results here?

 

[Bob O]

I'll give this a go maybe next weekend, but this month for sure. I need to build myself a portable stand/target holder and get a hold of some proper targets.

ADDED:

Just downloaded a shot timer app.

 

[OLDNAVYMCPO]

Went to the range today as I do each Monday morning that I possibly can. Wanted to try out the challenge II, which is the Texas CHL course. When I originally shot the course to get my CHL, I didn't pay any attention to the score, just the fact that I had passed.

Today, I shot the course three times, the first with a S&W 1911 Sc, the second with an M&P 40c and the third with a SIG p226 in 40 S&W. The 1911 required using Kentucky windage as the sights were off and I didn't have a tool to make the necessary adjustments. Had a shot in the 7 ring with the M&P 40 that I can't explain. Anyway the photos speak for themselves.

 

[Magload]

Really, it's practice. SO GET OUT AND SHOOT.


I was just reviewing smartphone apps for timers. Anyone have one they recommend?

I have several but at the indoor range I can't get the threshold set right. I cranked it to max then it couldn't read my 45 ACP. Starting backing it off got it just right and a guy 4 lanes over opens up with a AR15. Hard to get the range to myself.

These times are petty easy and I am sure I can shoot them with out going over time. I will just shoot fast and pass. Don

 

[ISCS Yoda]

Went to the range today as I do each Monday morning that I possibly can. Wanted to try out the challenge II, which is the Texas CHL course. When I originally shot the course to get my CHL, I didn't pay any attention to the score, just the fact that I had passed.

Today we don't give the scores, just P or F. It avoids any controversy if a CHL holder is involved in a shooting - you know, "If you scored 250 and are such a great shot why didn't you wound him?"

And so it goes...........

 

[jdesro1911]

Shot this today with my M&P9 Compact.

All strings began drawing from an IWB holster (no concealment).

I didn't record my times but all shots were within the required time limits.

Also, I don't have a B-27 target so I was using a B-24, which I think has smaller scoring rings.

Anyway, here is the target with my M&P for size comparison.

IMG_0114 by John, on Flickr

 

[Rastoff]

Yep, the B-24 is smaller. That is a perfect score. Thanks for joining in on the fun.

 

[swsig]

I went to the range today and took the Rastoff Challenge II, no draw (not allowed). I also didn't have a timer, but since the TX CHL rules are generous, I'm sure I got off all shots within the time limits. I used three of my semi-autos, my M&P 40c, my Shield 9, and my SIG P320c 9. Here are the results, along with the target photos:

I shot the worst with the 40c, with three shots out of the 5-point zone, all from 15 yards. Since I practice a lot at 15 yards, I was surprised to see these flyers. For ammo, I was shooting Win Ranger 180 FMJs for the very first time, so that could be the explanation. Yeah, that's the ticket, it's the ammo...

Nevertheless, under the generous scoring system, I got 246 out of a maximum of 250.

In second place was my SIG P320c, using American Eagle 147 FMJ. The SIG is very accurate, and here I only had one shot out of the 5-point zone, for a total of 249.

And now to the winner. As good as the SIG and 40c are, they couldn't beat out the humble little Shield, which scored a perfect 250 using ordinary Win 115. I've also shot the Shield a lot at 15 yards, and I've never seen it more accurate. It's amazing for such a short barrel. It must have been me, it couldn't have been the ammo...

I still have one gun left, a SIG P250sc .380. I'll put it through the Rastoff Challenge II in the next couple of weeks.

Thanks to Rastoff for thinking this up -- it was fun!

 

[Bob O]

Excellent shooting!!!!!