Repealing the 2nd Amendment

[johngalt]

The will probably use the same strategy as the IRS. They can't go after everyone, so they will pick out 1 or 2 famous (or infamous) celebrities and make an example of him, to terrorize the rest of us into compliance.

How many people are going to risk their families and livelihood by taking a stand? Not many.

 

[les.b]

The will probably use the same strategy as the IRS. They can't go after everyone, so they will pick out 1 or 2 famous (or infamous) celebrities and make an example of him, to terrorize the rest of us into compliance.

How many people are going to risk their families and livelihood by taking a stand? Not many.

Well, I don't want to break forum protocol by talking politics here, but I'm sure I will be forgiven if I respectfully remind everyone that there is a pretty important election coming up real soon, and we cannot sit at home, but need to vote!!

And don't think that only the presidential election is important...control of the Senate by our allies is equally important, and local, county and state legislative bodies are incredibly crucial as well. See you at the polls!!

Best Regards, Les

 

[Mark IV]

Mark IV:...
......All of which means that the fight isn't over yet, and that we must remain eternally vigilant!!

Best Regards, Les

Les, I'm not advocating a complete surrender. I'm all for resisting as long as realistically possible. All I'm saying is that, all said and done, we ARE going to be absorbed into the globalist fold. I'm not saying this from a defeatist point of view, but from more of a prophetic one.
This IS coming.
Period.
IT IS COMING.
Guaranteed.
I've argued this,as an unpopular minority, on several forums over the years. I've had this hundred-million gun-owner stat tossed at me more than a few times, and at first glance, it looks impressive.
The problem is that this ain't 1860, and we are NOT a 100 million-man army. We are 1, or 2, or 5, or maybe 10 guys, that CAN'T operate, communicate, or transport as a larger functioning, cohesive group, outside of government scrutiny.
At this very moment, we all know this conversation is observed and eternally recorded. And we aren't even doing anything !!!!!
Imagine if we were trying to organize and operate as a militant group. If we were anything more than an incompetent bunch of non-threatening dimwits, we'd wake up tomorrow (if we're lucky), in a cell in Guantanamo, wondering what the hell just happened !!!
RIGHT ????
To quote Mark Knopfler: "the man's too big, the man's too strong".
And we let it happen.

 

[Arik]

IF IF IF..... we're playing pretend.....IF it were to actually happen like that. It wouldn't be door to door or making examples out of anyone. It will be very simple. XYZ is illegal and you should turn yours in. A certain % will do it as has been shown in Australia and England. The rest will eventually get caught. Whether it's because someone died, someone used it in self defense, someone needed medical and cops showed up.....it doesn't matter. Once it's illegal you can't be seen with it and it will either sit hidden forever or eventually come to light.

Guess what law abiding citizens do? ....They abide by the law. Criminals will always be criminals.

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[les.b]

Mark and Arik, I was t even thinking about armed resistance when I posted the above, but was pointing out the political power that we have, that is largely untapped. And I know that I'm preaching to the choir here, but can you imagine if all gun owners voted in their best interest? We are the majority. It only appears that we are not because of the deceptive tactics of the media.

If we all voted, and voted only strong gun legislators and executive branch candidates, we could turn this around. After the 1994 "assault weapons" ban, we ousted 40 anti gun representatives and the GOP gained control of the House. Because we were united for once.

We could do this. We are the political majority. Not Dem or Rep, but Gun Owners.

I certainly see your arguments, and that is surely what will happen if we do not unite. Here we are, a disorganized majority, who will be defeated because many are apathetic, or defeatist, it reminds me of the old saying about "snatching defeat from the jaws of victory". The NRA is fighting a good fight, and I am backing them and other groups. I know that even with all of their billions of dollars, that the Bloomberg's and other fanatical billionaires have more money to outspend us, but what they don't have is a majority.

Well. Let's agree to at least fight them at the ballot box, and make it a point to educate as many of our friends, colleagues, relatives and disconnected gun owners and hunters and housewives as to the true nature of crime and the value of firearms in society.

We also, in addition to a majority, have something else on our side...the truth!! And the truth is a mighty weapon, even with a deceitful media perverting facts and parroting the ignorant claims of the anti-gun folks. Many ordinary folks are realizing the true agenda of the antis.

Stand firm!! I'm not talking about doors being kicked in, or black helicopters here, I'm just saying that the more folks know, the better decisions they make at the ballot box, and that is where we can win this fight.

We have been very sucessful here in West Virginia, and I know that we are a very small state with a small population, but we still had to battle the same anti-gun crowd here, and sent them gnashing their teeth over the last few years, and made some important pro gun gains here.

Best of luck....

Best Regards, Les

 

[JK-linux]

See, there you go. It's already in effect and you can sense it in this simple thread. They don't want our guns so much as they want to extinguish gun culture and make it anathema to even discuss socially outside your very small group of friends. We here are already sort of looking over our shoulders as we type away, wondering how to phrase something so as not to be a casualty in some future witch hunt a decade from now when some ancient internet post might be data mined... and we're basically just strangers speculating about stuff that effects our hobby. How many of us would lie to someone we know socially, another parent or coworker maybe, about whether we own guns, or minimize the type or number we own, just because we are concerned there might be a negative repercussion - and not just simple fear of theft? They don't like the unity and the sense of relative normalcy gun owners have currently and breaking it would do them wonders. They want us small, dispersed and uncomfortable at large.
The gun control movement is a long game starting with defining a perception, some agitprop thrown in to get it noticed, and a some opportunistic suggestion to make it personal to the audience. They don't need to mess with the BoR, have a convention, or pass new laws for that matter.

 

[johngalt]

I wasn't referring to armed resistance, but people just hiding their guns and refusing to turn them in. If made illegal, how many people will risk getting caught with them? If Conneticut is an indicator, possibly more than I think. But make the penalties severe enough and after a few high profile 'examples', I suspect few will decide it is worth the risk.

Another approach which goes on now is shut ranges down. With no place to shoot interest will drop off. Most of the population lives in or around big cities where there are no outdoor ranges.

 

[TTSH]

Guess what law abiding citizens do? ....They abide by the law. Criminals will always be criminals.

The crazy anti-2A AG lady here in MA now says I am a gun criminal despite having obeyed the gun laws to the very last letter for the past 40+ years. Tell me what I am supposed to do about that?

The point is that what law-abiding people do is irrelevant. They will figure out how to make you into criminals anyway.

 

[Old TexMex]

My signature says it all:

 

[Bat Guano]

For some reason my mind occasionally defaults to this: [ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqkgrtFlRWc[/ame]

It must be a short in the system.

 

[rwsmith]

l......

It won't be kicking in doors like everyone seems to think.

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They haven't kicked in doors in England, Canada or Australia, but the results are the same. No, subversion, political spinning and outright lies are what we have to deal with.

 

[rwsmith]

But if you stand up against it.....

Les, I'm not advocating a complete surrender. I'm all for resisting as long as realistically possible. All I'm saying is that, all said and done, we ARE going to be absorbed into the globalist fold. I'm not saying this from a defeatist point of view, but from more of a prophetic one.
This IS coming.
Period.
IT IS COMING.
Guaranteed.
I've argued this,as an unpopular minority, on several forums over the years. I've had this hundred-million gun-owner stat tossed at me more than a few times, and at first glance, it looks impressive.
The problem is that this ain't 1860, and we are NOT a 100 million-man army. We are 1, or 2, or 5, or maybe 10 guys, that CAN'T operate, communicate, or transport as a larger functioning, cohesive group, outside of government scrutiny.
At this very moment, we all know this conversation is observed and eternally recorded. And we aren't even doing anything !!!!!
Imagine if we were trying to organize and operate as a militant group. If we were anything more than an incompetent bunch of non-threatening dimwits, we'd wake up tomorrow (if we're lucky), in a cell in Guantanamo, wondering what the hell just happened !!!
RIGHT ????
To quote Mark Knopfler: "the man's too big, the man's too strong".
And we let it happen.

.... there will probably be a ballad written about how you believed in and died for a lost cause.

 

[justakyguy]

I thank god I live in Kentucky we're a big pro-2nd Amendment state and we love and value our right to bear arms here.

 

[Mark IV]

I thank god I live in Kentucky we're a big pro-2nd Amendment state and we love and value our right to bear arms here.

And there was a time when people could say with confidence, "thank God we live in a big pro-gun country, and we love and value our right to bear arms here".
Remind me, how many cities and states have successfully criminalized large aspects of gun ownership?
How many hoops do we have to jump through to buy and carry firearms now?
We are (and have been for years) one SCOTUS appointment from seeing sweeping reductions in our 2nd amendment rights.
That isn't hyperbole,or paranoia, or defeatism, that's the cold hard reality.
I live in a very gun-freindly state too, but that's a small consolation, and largely irrelevant, because by the time all this shakes out, we might as well be crowing about living in a pro-gun trailer park,for all the good it'll do us.

 

[justakyguy]

I agree with some of your points, however, I'm an eternal optimist. Much of the anti-gun rhetoric is just that, cheap rhetoric. Our Constitution is a very sacred, enshrined document, despite would-be activist partisans. I am thankful to be a gun enthusiast living in a state where I feel comfortable exercising my 2nd Amendment rights. I'd never make it in California. Too many citizens are complacent and take our freedoms for granted. America is the greatest country in the world, where our founders granted us the rights we enjoy and the right to bear arms. It's the freedom I cherish the most. I see a scary trend of the mass corporate biased media spreading a very anti-democratic, sheep mentality agenda. And using tragedies to capitalize on this agenda.

That being said, back to my original point, I am still an eternal optimist, and believe in the durability of our Constitution despite politicians and talking points. There's a lot of empty partisan noise out there, but the Constitution endures despite who is in the white house. I'll leave it at that, a hopeful note.

 

[Old TexMex]

I agree with some of your points, however, I'm an eternal optimist. Much of the anti-gun rhetoric is just that, cheap rhetoric. Our Constitution is a very sacred, enshrined document, despite would-be activist partisans. I am thankful to be a gun enthusiast living in a state where I feel comfortable exercising my 2nd Amendment rights. I'd never make it in California. Too many citizens are complacent and take our freedoms for granted. America is the greatest country in the world, where our founders granted us the rights we enjoy and the right to bear arms. It's the freedom I cherish the most. I see a scary trend of the mass corporate biased media spreading a very anti-democratic, sheep mentality agenda. And using tragedies to capitalize on this agenda.

That being said, back to my original point, I am still an eternal optimist, and believe in the durability of our Constitution despite politicians and talking points. There's a lot of empty partisan noise out there, but the Constitution endures despite who is in the white house. I'll leave it at that, a hopeful note.

You might want to remind your senior Senator about all that.

 

[johngalt]

I agree with some of your points, however, I'm an eternal optimist. Much of the anti-gun rhetoric is just that, cheap rhetoric. Our Constitution is a very sacred, enshrined document, despite would-be activist partisans. I am thankful to be a gun enthusiast living in a state where I feel comfortable exercising my 2nd Amendment rights. I'd never make it in California. Too many citizens are complacent and take our freedoms for granted. America is the greatest country in the world, where our founders granted us the rights we enjoy and the right to bear arms. It's the freedom I cherish the most. I see a scary trend of the mass corporate biased media spreading a very anti-democratic, sheep mentality agenda. And using tragedies to capitalize on this agenda.

That being said, back to my original point, I am still an eternal optimist, and believe in the durability of our Constitution despite politicians and talking points. There's a lot of empty partisan noise out there, but the Constitution endures despite who is in the white house. I'll leave it at that, a hopeful note.

You live in a pro gun state, but that is irrelevant to the Feds. Federal law trumps state law, and they don't care how much freedom is trampled with their lowest-common-denominator solutions.

We still have a Constitution, and some of the officials pretend that it still has meaning, but the days of it having any real authority are long gone. It will not save us from the banners when they come.

 

[Stevens]

How about outlawing private ownership of ammo? Or, keep your guns but make it illegal to fire them, through bogus air, noise or lead pollution control legislation! Huge taxes on guns? These are crazy thoughts but there are many ways to skin a cat, and the lunatics are running the asylum!
Steve W

 

[justakyguy]

You might want to remind your senior Senator about all that.

Sadly our senior senator is borderline senile and completely out of touch. That being said, he does support the 2nd amendment fully.

 

[justakyguy]

Our system is checks and balances, co-equal branches of government, and I have to believe that as long as the party which largely supports the NRA is in control of congress, our 2nd amendment freedoms will be largely protected. I am very pleased with the NRA's increasing influence. I myself only just joined for the first time. We have a divided government, we are not one party rule. There have been brief periods where one party controls all, but those tend to be rare and not last long. I feel pretty confident that this time, it will be no different. So optimistic in that regard.