Rittenhouse found not guilty on all counts

[lrrifleman]

I am glad to see that Rittenhouse was acquitted, and that this case has had a positive effect in reinforcing one's right to exercise their right to self defense.

However, I see another perspective that hasn't been mentioned yet... this case has reinforced the right of the individual to stand up and act in the absence of active enforcement of the law. One of the (poorly) verbalized points was that law enforcement was directed to assume a spectator role, even though an individual was targeted by aggressive protesters.

 

[CH4]

The absolute correct verdict for charges that should have never been filed; a trial that should have never happened. Hoping all the prosecutors involved be investigated for ethics violations, perhaps civil rights violations.

 

[pawngal]

I listened to the defense attorney speak this afternoon shortly after the verdict, seemed humble about his victory.
The prosecution thought they had it in the bag because of all of the media attention, wrong, justice prevailed.

Kyle's life is forever changed by those few minutes on the streets of Kenosha. He was just a kid.

 

[charlie sherrill]

Nobody mentioned the background of the so called victims. They were all convicted felons in the employ of radicals who want to destroy this country. These people were paid to riot. The ones who paid them should be charged with manslaughter, 2nd degree murder or something similar. This should not go away. Put them in prison.

 

[Onomea]

As I posted in another thread, I expected this verdict. Anyone who looks at the videos can see it was self defense.

Good verdict.

I'll add that I think civilians — by which I mean non LEOs — who went to Kenosha during the rioting, openly armed, with the professed intention of preventing property damage were numbskulls.

If I were that kid's dad I'd give him a hard time.

Edited to add: Well, at this point he's been given a very hard time. As his dad, maybe I'd just say, "Do you understand what an idiot you were to be there in the first place?" And if he said, "Yes," we'd be done.

 

[lrrifleman]

I don't think the Court ruled on this. The jury said he was not-guilty of the charges that the District Attorney alleged. Nothing more.

You are correct, the court did not rule on that, directly. However, the fact that he was acquitted of murder of 2 individuals, and attempted murder of a 3rd, during the course of civil unrest while police were not actively involved in containing the unrest helps to define the precedent. When this case is cited as precedent in future cases claiming self-defense, the courts will be obligated to identify and acknowledge the conditions leading up to the act of claimed self-defense. This case can not be viewed as an act of vigilantism, because of the defensive posture of the circumstances leading to the shooting.

 

[pharmer]

....... all convicted felons in the employ of radicals who want to destroy this country. . .

I'm not sure Gyorgy Schwartz wants to destroy the whole USA, just the US Dollar. He's done it many times before, to many countries. That's how he made his billions. Joe

 

[biku324]

Precedent is set in the appellate courts, not trial courts.

 

[kbm6893]

I am glad to see that Rittenhouse was acquitted, and that this case has had a positive effect in reinforcing one's right to exercise their right to self defense.

However, I see another perspective that hasn't been mentioned yet... this case has reinforced the right of the individual to stand up and act in the absence of active enforcement of the law. One of the (poorly) verbalized points was that law enforcement was directed to assume a spectator role, even though an individual was targeted by aggressive protesters.

I think governors and mayors have finally realized that allowing looting and rioting, and telling your cops and National Guardsman to stand by and do nothing, is no longer an option. People aren’t going to take it anymore. In all that chaos, the rioters are going to start taking plenty of incoming fire.

 

[Puller]

l learned some things I didn't know from reading the case deliberations:

I didn't know that Kyle put out a dumpster fire that was being rolled down to a gas station to blow up, with people all around.

I didn't know that the Police were told to stand down as businesses were destroyed.

I didn't know that Kyles Dad, Grandma and friends all lived in Kenosha, 20 minutes from where he resided with his Mom part time in Illinois.

I didn't know that Joseph Rosenbaum knocked him down twice and then attempted to kick him with lethal force to the head. I didn't know that Huber had hit him in the head 2x with a skateboard.

I didn't know Gaige Grosskreutz, a felon in possession of firearm, aimed his gun at Kyle first, as he admitted on the stand.

I also didn't know that in the State of Wisconsin, it is legal for Kyle to have a gun, even at 17 (which was why the gun charge was dismissed).

I didn't know that Kyle did not cross state lines with a gun he wasn't supposed to have. The gun never left KENOSHA WISCONSIN, The rightful gun owner did, as he was legally permitted to do.

I also didn't realize that Rosenbaum was a 5 time convicted child rapist and that Huber was a 2 time convicted woman beater. I didn't know that Grosskreutz was a convicted Burglar with an assault on his record also.

IF THE MEDIA DONE THEIR JOB... we would ALL have known this!

 

[Grayfox]

As his dad, maybe I'd just say, "Do you understand what an idiot you were to be there in the first place?"

I've said all along that his only bad decision was going there in the first place.
But then, a 17 year old making a bad decision, well DUH!

 

[marinevet]

I noticed that also. We should all chip in a dollar each and buy him some Troy Battle Sights...

There was an optic on the rifle, check photos from the night of the incident, it was taken off the rifle because someone in the court room was complaining about the "laser" pointing at them, it was not a laser sight..........

 

[marinevet]

Rule 1: If you think you will need a gun, stay home. Don't cross state lines with a weapon to perform cop work unless you are a cop and actually have to.

I carry a gun every day, regardless if I cross a state line, if I am on a road trip, and think I might need more firepower, I will bring what I need with me..........we still live in America, and as far as I am concerned............we still have the 2nd amendment.......

 

[jeffrefrig]

Stay away from that prosecuting attorney's barber.

 

[CA Escapee]

Good verdict.. Outrageous prosecutor.
I spent 10 years as a public defender and never saw a prosecution this bad.
Did anyone else notice that rifle had no sights on it?

I saw photos of Rittenhouse holding the rifle and it looked like it had a red dot sight on it. I noticed it was missing when the Prosecutor was holding it, though. I wondered why they took it off. Marinevet explained that in post #56.

 

[Beemerguy53]

...He was just a kid.

And that is precisely why he had no business going there.

 

[Beemerguy53]

...I also didn't realize that Rosenbaum was a 5 time convicted child rapist and that Huber was a 2 time convicted woman beater. I didn't know that Grosskreutz was a convicted Burglar with an assault on his record also.

Part of the reason we didn't know all this is because it was immaterial to the case. Rittenhouse didn't know those facts about their backgrounds, and that information had no bearing on his decision to shoot them.

It's the same reason why some of Rittenhouse's past words and deeds were not allowed to be revealed to the jury. They had to judge this case only on the evidence of what happened there that night, not what kind of people the defendant or the dead guys were.

 

[Sevens]

Part of the reason we didn't know all this is because it was immaterial to the case. Rittenhouse didn't know those facts about their backgrounds, and that information had no bearing on his decision to shoot them.

It's the same reason why some of Rittenhouse's past words and deeds were not allowed to be revealed to the jury. They had to judge this case only on the evidence of what happened there that night, not what kind of people the defendant or the dead guys were.

You are absolutely correct.

However dead scumbags are to be celebrated.

One worthless pile that cannot molest kids ever again, another worthless pile that cannot beat women and and armed felon that can no longer switch-hit at the plate.

 

[petepeterson]

Rule 1: If you think you will need a gun, stay home. Don't cross state lines with a weapon to perform cop work unless you are a cop and actually have to.

Great idea, but the cops weren't there doing "their" work. Who does the work then? This is what I meant in my previous post about dual trials going on. One was a self-defense case, and should have been an easy decision.
The larger "case" that was heard, unofficially, is are we legally bound to watch a riot happen and do nothing if the folks that are paid to stop it allow it to happen.
It took a 17 yr old boy to do what the grown men of that area should've done already.
I imagine the same could be said of the US Revolution.

 

[CAJUNLAWYER]

I watched Rachael Maddow last night. Interesting indeed!