This scenario's a well traveled road. Say you decide to intervene, and get the drop on Mr. Bad Guy. Instead of complying, Mr. BG decides he likes his chances, opens up on you. Now everyone in the store and passing by on the street is in play. Mr. BG doesn't care, he's been inside before most likely, but you, every round in your mag/cylinder has a lawyer attached. No matter how good your intentions, you hit a kid coming in to buy a Slurpee, it's your keister. Add to that, the responding police won't know which of you is the bad guy. Do yourself a favor, unless he starts shooting, be a good witness. If all Mr. Bg wants is the money, let him go. The store's insured.
Robbery Scenario: What to do?
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Thanks for the input. You have given me a lot of things to consider that I didn't think about. Sorry for sounding cocky in earlier post, that wasn't my initial intention.(had a bad day) I do appreciate a lawyers point of view. You're absolutely right about me not having enough skill for a head shot, and I'm not foolish enough to think so. I'd be lucky to get a center of mass shot, if the situation escalated to require deadly force. Based on your information (and the majority of others) it would be best to not get involved. Being a hero is definitely not something I'm shooting for! (pun intended) A lot of hero's wind up dead!
amazingflapjack
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Stay out of convenience stores! And quit eating those stinking candy bars.
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Read this and decide for yourself. Commentary by Evan Marshall
Whitwabit
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your not a LEO and are not expected to act as one .. if you are not in fear for your life or the life of another and the BG is not violent be a good witness and have good eyes to give the investigating LEO's reliable info on the suspect's description !!
If BG is violent in any way or makes everyone move to another area or room it's time to act ..
I would never give a BG a warning to drop his weapon .. it could well get you killed or someone else if they were to open fire at your command to drop the weapon .. especially if there are more then one BG's .. there is nothing fair in a gun fight .. It is your objective to survive at all cost and at that point to stop the BG !!
If BG is violent in any way or makes everyone move to another area or room it's time to act ..
I would never give a BG a warning to drop his weapon .. it could well get you killed or someone else if they were to open fire at your command to drop the weapon .. especially if there are more then one BG's .. there is nothing fair in a gun fight .. It is your objective to survive at all cost and at that point to stop the BG !!
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"When you have to shoot, shoot...don't talk". Tuco
Hmmmm, sums it up for me.
Hmmmm, sums it up for me.
TexasArmed
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If he comes in with a gun pointed at a clerk he is violent.
If i were not willing to take the shot, i would not carry a gun at
that point. I don't like trying to outdraw someone who already
has a gun pointed at me. Once he draws the gun and points
it at a human, he is in the act of committing a felony. While
i am not the law, i don't intend to give him a chance to take
a shot at me if i can help it.
Outstanding,..... be a great witness. UNLESS, your life or anothers is in imminent danger.
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Your default solution should be to be invisable during, and witness afterwards. Unless and until the situation turns specifically deadly.
I will present the SOPs that were used at a liquor store back in the old neighborhood that had frequent robberies.
All the employees were encouraged to be armed, not just the specific register guy. As long as the robber was mostly coherent, hand over the money in the register, and let him go. They practiced good cash control, made frequent drops into drop safe, and would only have a few hundred in the register at any time.
But IF :
1. The robber was noticeably high and unpredictable.
2. Robber(s) would endevor to herd people into back room.
3. Robber initiated an attack.
Then everyone would go into OK Corral mode.
One occasion my friend wasn't carrying his usual 2.5in Python when a robber came over the counter at him. He used his Gerber Mk I knife to cut threw the gun arm down to the bone.
I will present the SOPs that were used at a liquor store back in the old neighborhood that had frequent robberies.
All the employees were encouraged to be armed, not just the specific register guy. As long as the robber was mostly coherent, hand over the money in the register, and let him go. They practiced good cash control, made frequent drops into drop safe, and would only have a few hundred in the register at any time.
But IF :
1. The robber was noticeably high and unpredictable.
2. Robber(s) would endevor to herd people into back room.
3. Robber initiated an attack.
Then everyone would go into OK Corral mode.
One occasion my friend wasn't carrying his usual 2.5in Python when a robber came over the counter at him. He used his Gerber Mk I knife to cut threw the gun arm down to the bone.
Pointblank2U
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This is not the best thing to discuss on a public forum as it becomes part of a searchable public record. Things you say could be used against you. Talk to your local police. Keep it off the record.
I posted early in this thread. Years back (mid 1970s) I was one of the first civilian instructors for the new Pistol permit pre issue class started & now required by our new county judge. All civilian pistol permit instructors were NRA firearm instructors.
We had to make up a curriculum and get it approved by the judge.
Judge was anti gun, (most all officials in that NYS county were & still are) but he said do a good course and he would sign permits. Note in NYS you need a hard to get permit just to own/posses a hand gun even in your own home!
One of the things I told my students WHEN you got your permit you had a permit to own/posses not fire it. Most understood the point I was trying to get across. The course at that time was 3 hours and we covered a lot!
We had to make up a curriculum and get it approved by the judge.
Judge was anti gun, (most all officials in that NYS county were & still are) but he said do a good course and he would sign permits. Note in NYS you need a hard to get permit just to own/posses a hand gun even in your own home!
One of the things I told my students WHEN you got your permit you had a permit to own/posses not fire it. Most understood the point I was trying to get across. The course at that time was 3 hours and we covered a lot!
I'm good with what I posted . . .
BigBill
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When I worked nights in the gas station I carried a 357 Python, two co workers carried m29/44's another carried a 38 special. It wasn't a good time to get robbed for the bad guy. This was in the mid seventies.
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In the mid-seventies, lots of folks could afford a Python if that was their first choice.
I would just say that if you shoot someone, hopefully justified, it is going to shake your world and change your life forever.
Even if justified, it will change your life, especially if you take someone's life. It bothers most sane people to do that.
Probably the only thing worse would be to die yourself or another innocent person.
Myself, I would do all I could to avoid having to do that, but am ready if necessary.
I constantly remind myself to be committed to both courses of action, and no, they are not in conflict with each other.
You just need to recognize where that line is and not hesitate if its crossed but do all I can to keep that from happening.
You're on the right track thinking about it.
Keep that up and keep training.
Even if justified, it will change your life, especially if you take someone's life. It bothers most sane people to do that.
Probably the only thing worse would be to die yourself or another innocent person.
Myself, I would do all I could to avoid having to do that, but am ready if necessary.
I constantly remind myself to be committed to both courses of action, and no, they are not in conflict with each other.
You just need to recognize where that line is and not hesitate if its crossed but do all I can to keep that from happening.
You're on the right track thinking about it.
Keep that up and keep training.
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I agree 100%! My CCH instructor told our class that no matter what the case may be, shooting and possibly killing another human being will haunt you. Maybe for the rest of your life! He said that he's had fellow officers to struggle with having to shoot someone, and that's part of their job & training!
I think the only way a sane person could do it is to realize that he/she or someone else is gonna die, if the trigger isn't pulled. It would have to be a quick (hopefully) survival instinct.
an entering police officer shoots you, because he thinks your the bad guy?
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